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squidflakes
Aug 27, 2009


SHORTBUS
My one other assisting horror story isn't as bad as the last one but it is one of the reasons I cut ties with a company who had been giving me reasonably steady work.

A some years ago I quit my day job and started putting full time effort in to my photo business. The first year was tight but I managed and the second year was looking pretty good until everything seemed to dry up in late August of 2011 or so. Through some friends I got in contact with this local cruise company that did weddings on their party yacht and while they already had a photographer, a local mom-tographer turned wedding pro, she wanted a back-up so she wouldn't have to work every weekend.

Since I was technically listed as her assistant the deal was that I got a pretty generous day rate but I had to turn over the raw photos to her for processing. She had a signature look, you see, and wanted to preserve the illusion that she had done all of this work herself. Any sudden increase in the quality of her work or her apparent leap in skill was purely coincidental mind you, she'd been taking classes... yeah, that's it, classes.

After six months I started noticing a trend in the weddings she bailed on. Namely, if it wasn't 100% white people, she wouldn't show up. After I was contacted by a few of the couples about their photos I also found out that non-white couples were being given the absolute worst shots, poorly edited, and were waiting months for maybe a couple of dozen outtakes. I went to the cruise company about this and they blew me off. They also told the photographer and she sent me this horribly racist screed and threatened all sorts of retribution if I went to the media or "the Black Panthers." Instead, I contacted the couples I had already shot, sent them my edits from the raws, and apologized profusely.

Regular client work stared picking up after that so I told the cruise company I'd be busy til further notice and that they should find someone else.

December of 2012 (I think), I get a frantic phone call from the owner of the cruise company. They were hosting some ridiculously fancy super duper special wedding and the regular photographer bailed, and her new assistant called in sick, and the wedding was going to start in an hour. I threw out a ridiculous number for my fee and they agreed.

I got there in half an hour, got set-up, and started mingling for candid shots. They weren't kidding about the super fancy either. The first couple I shot was probably wearing jewelry worth more than my house. The bride looked like she'd just waded through the English crown jewels.

The regular momtographer suddenly appears out of nowhere and drags me in in to the kitchen. She starts hissing and whispering about how I needed to make her look good and don't gently caress this up and how I have to give her half of whatever I was making because this was *HER* gig and how dare I, etc, etc, etc. She then stomps out and demands to see the bride and I think that's when it hit her that the entire bridal party was African. Like, got here by plane last night from Nairobi, African. All of these women are wearing these amazing silk and embroidered dresses and jewels and perfect make-up and she might as well be wearing a burlap sack. Still, they were all gracious and pleasant while she's doing her best to avoid touching them and wearing this awful grimace that I'm sure she thinks is a smile.

The ceremony goes fine, the bride looks like the pinnacle of all beauty in the world, the groom looks like the luckiest doofus in the world, but they had an obvious chemistry and it was pretty cool to watch. The momtographer is stomping around trying to find good angles. She's packing something like a D3000 with the kit lens and she's just rapid firing for all she's worth. She orbits back to me every so often to whisper awful poo poo about interracial couples or to tell me that I should change my aperture for some loving reason.

Anyway, the ceremony finishes up and I'm trying to get the families together for group photos. The momtographer has disappeared and I'm trying to wrangle a good fifty people but everyone was in good spirits. The mothers of the bride and groom want endless variations on groups, poses, positioning, and what have you, so it takes a good thirty minutes to get through all of that. By this time everyone is itching to get to the reception and I really need to get some water.

I think I'd been sitting a full minute when the momtographer comes bursting in to the kitchen ranting about how no one can find me and she can't believe how lazy I'm being and how I'm just like one of those lazy n*****s out there. About half the kitchen staff is black so there is this sudden brief silence but she's completely oblivious. The mother of the bride has asked her to do some shots in the women's dressing room of the bride changing in to her party dress, but she flat refuses. She walks me over to the women's dressing room and says something like "I refuse to be alone in a room full of n*****s so my assistant will be taking the photos." to the mother of the bride. This poor woman looks like someone has just hit her in the head with an axe handle. She stammered something like "But, he's a man."

After that it was an escalating shouting match between the mothers, the momtographer, and the cruise company owner. Like, both mothers in tears, the momtographer dropping n bombs left and right, the cruise company owner trying to smooth things over, a total mess.

In the end, I was working directly with the bride and groom to get them their photos. The momtographer refused to give up any of her photos, then later claimed they had been lost in an accident. The cruise company owner, for some loving reason, gave half my fee to the momtographer who claimed I had been drinking on the job and she had actually done most of the photography with my camera.

They called me back exactly one time after that but I flat refused to ever work with them again.

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DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


:stare:

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

IKR.

That one got me for some reason. I wanted the ending to be '...and then she was fired, got blacklisted by all the booking agencies and is now living in a box down by the river.' Instead of '... and she got a bunch of my money that she didn't earn and is still employed by a company that apparently doesn't care about her massively unprofessional behaviour in front of the client.'

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
... is there no fair work tribunal or anything you could go to?

Surely even in america, giving her half the money is a clear breach of contract, especially after she bailed? Surely they can't agree to pay you a set fee and then not? Was she banging the owner or something ridiculous? Why would they keep her around?

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

For that matter, did you sign a contract with them or did you just make a verbal agreement?

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


chitoryu12 posted:

For that matter, did you sign a contract with them or did you just make a verbal agreement?

Yeah this is the big thing

red19fire
May 26, 2010

Yeah, i don't mind doing informal stuff without a contract, but that's for like friends and small clients. A wedding for mucho dinero, for a big company like a cruise ship, doesn't matter if it's an hour notice it needs to be in writing. This is exactly what happens when slime like that racist mom-tographer gets an inch of wriggle room to bully your client.

Like my fitness work i do with minimal paperwork for individuals, but occasionally a supplement or equipment company will contact me for work. They never call back once I send over an estimate requiring a signature and deposit, at least the small fry I deal with seem to think a soggy $100 bill is enough for perpetual unlimited rights.

red19fire fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Dec 20, 2016

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

underage at the vape shop posted:

... is there no fair work tribunal or anything you could go to?


Hahahahaha. In America? Hahahahahaa

squidflakes
Aug 27, 2009


SHORTBUS

chitoryu12 posted:

For that matter, did you sign a contract with them or did you just make a verbal agreement?

It was just a verbal agreement and I fully understand how that was my gently caress-up. The cruise company isn't one of the big ones either, they operate two boats and a small reception hall. The boats hold something like 75 passengers if you pack them in tight.

I'm not sure why the cruise company keeps the momtographer around. My guess is that the company owner and her don't exactly disagree on certain things, but the owner is more able to keep her mouth shut and take people's money.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


squidflakes posted:

I'm not sure why the cruise company keeps the momtographer around. .

Same reason anyone hires a momtographer. They work cheap.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

squidflakes posted:

My one other assisting horror story isn't as bad as the last one but it is one of the reasons I cut ties with a company who had been giving me reasonably steady work.

A some years ago I quit my day job and started putting full time effort in to my photo business. The first year was tight but I managed and the second year was looking pretty good until everything seemed to dry up in late August of 2011 or so. Through some friends I got in contact with this local cruise company that did weddings on their party yacht and while they already had a photographer, a local mom-tographer turned wedding pro, she wanted a back-up so she wouldn't have to work every weekend.

Since I was technically listed as her assistant the deal was that I got a pretty generous day rate but I had to turn over the raw photos to her for processing. She had a signature look, you see, and wanted to preserve the illusion that she had done all of this work herself. Any sudden increase in the quality of her work or her apparent leap in skill was purely coincidental mind you, she'd been taking classes... yeah, that's it, classes.

After six months I started noticing a trend in the weddings she bailed on. Namely, if it wasn't 100% white people, she wouldn't show up. After I was contacted by a few of the couples about their photos I also found out that non-white couples were being given the absolute worst shots, poorly edited, and were waiting months for maybe a couple of dozen outtakes. I went to the cruise company about this and they blew me off. They also told the photographer and she sent me this horribly racist screed and threatened all sorts of retribution if I went to the media or "the Black Panthers." Instead, I contacted the couples I had already shot, sent them my edits from the raws, and apologized profusely.

Regular client work stared picking up after that so I told the cruise company I'd be busy til further notice and that they should find someone else.

December of 2012 (I think), I get a frantic phone call from the owner of the cruise company. They were hosting some ridiculously fancy super duper special wedding and the regular photographer bailed, and her new assistant called in sick, and the wedding was going to start in an hour. I threw out a ridiculous number for my fee and they agreed.

I got there in half an hour, got set-up, and started mingling for candid shots. They weren't kidding about the super fancy either. The first couple I shot was probably wearing jewelry worth more than my house. The bride looked like she'd just waded through the English crown jewels.

The regular momtographer suddenly appears out of nowhere and drags me in in to the kitchen. She starts hissing and whispering about how I needed to make her look good and don't gently caress this up and how I have to give her half of whatever I was making because this was *HER* gig and how dare I, etc, etc, etc. She then stomps out and demands to see the bride and I think that's when it hit her that the entire bridal party was African. Like, got here by plane last night from Nairobi, African. All of these women are wearing these amazing silk and embroidered dresses and jewels and perfect make-up and she might as well be wearing a burlap sack. Still, they were all gracious and pleasant while she's doing her best to avoid touching them and wearing this awful grimace that I'm sure she thinks is a smile.

The ceremony goes fine, the bride looks like the pinnacle of all beauty in the world, the groom looks like the luckiest doofus in the world, but they had an obvious chemistry and it was pretty cool to watch. The momtographer is stomping around trying to find good angles. She's packing something like a D3000 with the kit lens and she's just rapid firing for all she's worth. She orbits back to me every so often to whisper awful poo poo about interracial couples or to tell me that I should change my aperture for some loving reason.

Anyway, the ceremony finishes up and I'm trying to get the families together for group photos. The momtographer has disappeared and I'm trying to wrangle a good fifty people but everyone was in good spirits. The mothers of the bride and groom want endless variations on groups, poses, positioning, and what have you, so it takes a good thirty minutes to get through all of that. By this time everyone is itching to get to the reception and I really need to get some water.

I think I'd been sitting a full minute when the momtographer comes bursting in to the kitchen ranting about how no one can find me and she can't believe how lazy I'm being and how I'm just like one of those lazy n*****s out there. About half the kitchen staff is black so there is this sudden brief silence but she's completely oblivious. The mother of the bride has asked her to do some shots in the women's dressing room of the bride changing in to her party dress, but she flat refuses. She walks me over to the women's dressing room and says something like "I refuse to be alone in a room full of n*****s so my assistant will be taking the photos." to the mother of the bride. This poor woman looks like someone has just hit her in the head with an axe handle. She stammered something like "But, he's a man."

After that it was an escalating shouting match between the mothers, the momtographer, and the cruise company owner. Like, both mothers in tears, the momtographer dropping n bombs left and right, the cruise company owner trying to smooth things over, a total mess.

In the end, I was working directly with the bride and groom to get them their photos. The momtographer refused to give up any of her photos, then later claimed they had been lost in an accident. The cruise company owner, for some loving reason, gave half my fee to the momtographer who claimed I had been drinking on the job and she had actually done most of the photography with my camera.

They called me back exactly one time after that but I flat refused to ever work with them again.

:stare:

This is one for the recordbooks.

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

DJExile posted:

Same reason anyone hires a momtographer. They work cheap.

Do you have any sample of her work?

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Non Serviam posted:

Do you have any sample of her work?

I don't, but...

quote:

She's packing something like a D3000 with the kit lens and she's just rapid firing for all she's worth. She orbits back to me every so often to whisper awful poo poo about interracial couples or to tell me that I should change my aperture for some loving reason.

I'm gonna assume it's plenty bad.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

ansel autisms posted:

Hahahahaha. In America? Hahahahahaa

why do people put up with that poo poo

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


underage at the vape shop posted:

why do people put up with that poo poo

instead of tribunals we've got lawyers upon lawyers upon lawyers

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

It's the price of bootstraps and capitalism. If you want fair, you gotta get rich and only then will you be truly free.

squidflakes
Aug 27, 2009


SHORTBUS
Her photo blog is down, but she may have changed it. However, her stuff is still up on the cruise site. Here are a coupe of her typical shots.




And these are from a wedding party that paid for a second shooter.
Hers


Mine

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Goddamn

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

What a miserable human being. Let's build a wall around her and make her pay for it.

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

underage at the vape shop posted:

why do people put up with that poo poo

why does the voting public embrace it is a better question

red19fire
May 26, 2010

ansel autisms posted:

why does the voting public embrace it is a better question

'Temporarily embarassed millionaires'

We tolerate this because we assume it's just a matter of time until we're in charge, and don't want any threats to power that we don't yet have (we will never have it).

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

Dorkroom & Discussion

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Your opinions are crooked and your political views are showing a vignette, you should fix that in Lightroom.

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underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
I want to be a republican cause it seems like easy street

one of the cool ones thats lowkey ok with the gays and just loves america so much

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