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dookifex_maximus posted:so how do we stop normal people from collectivizing too much wealth in the west, because that seems to lead to people starving too 101: Don't collectivize things if there's literally nobody who wants to collectivize.
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okay but there are these consortiums of powerful people who will collectivize and starve people out how do we stop them e: see corporate mergers
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Oct 14, 2016 22:10
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dookifex_maximus posted:okay but there are these consortiums of powerful people who will collectivize and starve people out kill your family to show them you are not afraid of anything
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Oct 14, 2016 22:11
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no u
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Oct 14, 2016 22:12
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im just trying to helpman
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Oct 14, 2016 22:15
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Kiryen posted:Yes, organized crime definitely has a use for ICBMs, moron. Are you loving simple?
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Oct 14, 2016 22:31
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can't think of anything better to go legit with than a nuke
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Also, for the cheap seatssteinrokkan posted:The USSR may have had lots of capital nominally in its not yet amortized industrial projects, but realistically that capital was lost and wasted in a country that was trying to enter global markets, because it was sunk in hopelessly non-competitive enterprises. The Russians could have definitely used more of a helping hand reestablishing their economy even though they did have an economic base that looked formidable on paper. Ardennes posted:A big issue was shock therapy, and that rather than gradually phasing out price controls and privatizing some industries, Yeltsin went full hog and it was a complete nightmare. Russia went through basically a second great depression in the 1990s and the reason Putin still has so much support (despite everything else going on) now because of how loving bad things actually got back then. That's all I was saying I wasn't saying LITERALLY take the Marshall Plan and apply it to 1990s you pedantic goons. But there were a lot of good ideas in there like educating Slavs in how finance/markets work and how to operate a business and various other things. Establishing those loan systems mentioned for example. Rich and stable my rear end in a top hat dude people literally did not know how finances and basic markets worked. My dad came here after the collapse and had to take night classes in finance and stuff with his lovely English just to make sure he wasn't getting screwed on mortgage/loan/business terms because that poo poo didn't exist in Soviet states. They needed help in a comprehensive way, they didn't get it. Idk why that's so contentious. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Oct 14, 2016 22:48
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Kiryen posted:Yes, organized crime definitely has a use for ICBMs, moron. Just gotta go back to this real quick because lmao http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/loose-nukes-black-market-sales-nuclear-weapons-and-material-russia/ 1997 posted:Russia's nuclear material holdings, about 30,000 nuclear warheads and 1,700 tons of plutonium and enriched uranium, may not be safe from theft. According to some experts, organized criminal groups have infiltrated nuclear facilities, and nuclear scientists from those facilities may be trying to sell nuclear material. Igor Matveyenko, a senior Russian nuclear physicist, claims that it is possible to purchase 'anything in our country [Russia] today, including nuclear weapons and materials.' Russian officials have said that security at most facilities is poor, in spite of Russian President Boris Yeltsin's pledges to maintain control over his country's vast nuclear material stockpiles. and more recent http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-us-diplomats-confront-black-market-for-nuclear-bomb-material/ quote:"The leaked cables tell hair-raising tales of casks of uranium found in wicker baskets in Burundi, a retired Russian general offering to sell 'uranium plates' in Portugal, and a radioactive Armenian car on the Georgian border," wrote Julian Borger and Karen McVeigh of the Guardian. fuckboi Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Oct 14, 2016 22:59
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Moridin920 posted:Rich and stable my rear end in a top hat dude people literally did not know how finances and basic markets worked. My dad came here after the collapse and had to take night classes in finance and stuff with his lovely English just to make sure he wasn't getting screwed on mortgage/loan/business terms because that poo poo didn't exist in Soviet states. The fact that your dad took night classes proves dick about poo poo. The Soviet elite policymakers understood markets and finance perfectly well, they weren't loving retarded. The contentious issue here is that you think there was a lack of resources or knowledge or some easily provided poo poo that could be easily solved by a four-colour all-American superman swooping in and saving the day. That's bullshit. They were lacking a political system that could make the system work, at any level. That's why the old system failed to begin with. That's a problem no-one has ever solved in history, except by mass murder.
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Oct 15, 2016 01:57
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His next crazy Ivan will be to port.
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Moridin920 posted:Just gotta go back to this real quick because lmao You're relying on a 20-year-old article which characterized all of its own findings as "may" at the time. "Nuclear materials" are not the same thing as a functioning nuclear weapon. Functioning nuclear weapons are what would have been used against the West if we'd tried to deploy any sort of U.N. peacekeeping force there. quote:and more recent This is a story about worldwide sale of nuclear material, dumbass, unless you're going to try to tell us that the USSR had a nuclear program in Burundai - and none of it is functional weapons. This is the kind of bedwetting that led to the Iraq invasion. You seriously proposed that the U.N. should have invaded Russia with a "peacekeeping force" after the end of the Cold War - and an invasion is exactly how Russia would have seen it, an arrogant West trying to take over after defeating them, especially in view of their history in WWI and WWII. So basically you're arguing that global thermonuclear war would be preferable to some Russian mobsters stealing some plutonium or uranium and doing something with it which has totally resulted in dirty bombs and nukes going off all over the place.. oh.. wait. Stop having opinions. Being from that part of the world does not mean you know more than gently caress-all about policy in that regard, any more than some hillbilly on welfare in nowhere West Virginia understand U.S. policy beyond the end of his dick. Kiryen fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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moridin: <really dumb thing> thread: jesus christ that's a really dumb thing moridin: look i never said <really dumb thing>, all im saying is <rewording of really dumb thing>. here are some tangentially related links for reference *dumps out bag of broken party favors*
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Oct 15, 2016 04:48
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this is a very very cold war, maybe even negative degrees
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Oct 15, 2016 06:32
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are we all dead yet
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Oct 15, 2016 07:45
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i don't care if i die as long as everyone else dies along with me
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Fargo Fukes posted:The fact that your dad took night classes proves dick about poo poo. The Soviet elite policymakers understood markets and finance perfectly well, they weren't loving retarded. The contentious issue here is that you think there was a lack of resources or knowledge or some easily provided poo poo that could be easily solved by a four-colour all-American superman swooping in and saving the day. That's bullshit. They were lacking a political system that could make the system work, at any level. That's why the old system failed to begin with. That's a problem no-one has ever solved in history, except by mass murder. The general populace was supposed to keep the elites in check. They couldn't, because they were supremely naive. It was definitely a contributing factor to why so many people got screwed over and ruined, while few enjoyed a rocket boom to the stratosphere.
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