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Monday Bandele posted:Kovalev really shouldn't have let Ward settle into a rhythm after the knockdown. Thought he'd won the fight so much he lost it.
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really good fight. rematch plz.
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Jack B Nimble posted:No way in hell they'll do a rematch in Russia, but I do hope it's not in the US. Maybe UK. They'd score it for Hosea Burton.
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Nov 20, 2016 06:40
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lol at people calling robbery after a close fight. this is why no one listens when actual robberies happen
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thehappyprince posted:lol at people calling robbery after a close fight. Exactly. That fight was so close that almost any scorecards could have been read and I would have shrugged and accepted them. Book rounds 13-24. Or even better, rounds 13-27 
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Nov 20, 2016 06:41
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thehappyprince posted:lol at people calling robbery after a close fight. Seriously. I wanted Kovalev to win more than most but it's just stupid to call this a robbery especially when this evening had examples of much worse. It just is what it is and lets do it again in 5-6 months.
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Nov 20, 2016 06:42
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thehappyprince posted:lol at people calling robbery after a close fight. To be fair, less people would call robbery if it didn't happen all the time
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Nov 20, 2016 06:44
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I had it as a draw but so many of those rounds were close. Hotly contested fight and a lotta fun
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Nov 20, 2016 06:45
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ward pretty much got by on a jab and body shots. great performance whatever you scored it.
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Nov 20, 2016 06:45
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david carmichael posted:I had it as a draw but so many of those rounds were close. Hotly contested fight and a lotta fun Is it actually possible to score a 12-round fight as a draw when it has a knockdown?
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Nov 20, 2016 06:46
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This is probably why I'm a bad judge of boxing but while I thought Ward did an excellent job getting back into the fight and throwing Kovalev off his rhythm I just don't think he did enough to win. Definitely won the middle rounds but I though Kovalev came back well and won the 10th and 12th. Oh well.
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david carmichael posted:I had it as a draw but so many of those rounds were close. Hotly contested fight and a lotta fun There was a knockdown so a draw was not possible. I was leaning 6-6 rounds wise, with kd that would mean a job win, but it was real, real close. I don't think the people complaining are wrong, over the whole fight it seemed like Kovalev did better, but rbr this was very tight. Tough to score.
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Nov 20, 2016 06:48
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thehappyprince posted:lol at people calling robbery after a close fight. the co main was a legit robbery
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Yeah I thought Kovalev took the 12th easily. Was surprised that all three gave it to Ward
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I think Ward would beat him more decisively in a rematch. He was initially shook by Kovalev's power but once he got the judge of distance it was all over.
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Found myself agreeing with Kellerman quite a bit, I think Ward pretty much got all the rounds you could give to him. Pretty sure in a rematch that wouldn't happen again, also think Kovalev would have the easier time adjusting. Edit - I think the power that shook Ward still is there early on in a rematch. The question would be how would Ward break Kovalev down again, as a lot of the 2nd half of the fight was laid out by really good body work. If Kovalev can take some of that away + has the power to cause Ward problems while he is fresh = An easier rematch for Kovalev imo.
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CommonShore posted:Is it actually possible to score a 12-round fight as a draw when it has a knockdown? If you score 10-10s yes
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I was rooting for ward to win and I think it was a robbery.
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Nov 20, 2016 06:56
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that wasn't a robbery but it does feel a bit suspicious that the judges all ended up with the same score in a fight with so many close rounds, will be interesting to see the cards
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Nov 20, 2016 07:00
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the only loser is adonis stevenson who has to wait on fighting the winner of the rematch and that's good imo
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Nov 20, 2016 07:00
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Great fight, needs a rematch. Definitely lived up to the hype. My score was the same as the judges, I gave Ward rounds 4-10 and Kovalev everything else. Once Andre got warmed up his defense was on point, great movement and smart countering helped him avoid most of what Kovalev was sending him. Very close rounds though, very tough to score.
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vainman posted:Yeah I thought Kovalev took the 12th easily. Was surprised that all three gave it to Ward 
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TBH im not even sure who I'd pick in the rematch Lid posted:the co main was a legit robbery I thought the chilemba fight was supposed to be the co-main, and at least that fight was better while it lasted.
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Nov 20, 2016 07:40
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jediguy posted:This is probably why I'm a bad judge of boxing but while I thought Ward did an excellent job getting back into the fight and throwing Kovalev off his rhythm I just don't think he did enough to win. Definitely won the middle rounds but I though Kovalev came back well and won the 10th and 12th. Oh well. I think Ward figured him out and had SK timed up by the end, but I also had a lot of Ward's action coming on punches in the clinch and a lot of holding initiated, and I am not a huge fan of that.
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Nov 20, 2016 07:48
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I think this was a great fight, but a controversial decision isn't too great for casual fans tuning in.
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Nov 20, 2016 08:02
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Lasagna Pilot posted:I think Ward figured him out and had SK timed up by the end, but I also had a lot of Ward's action coming on punches in the clinch and a lot of holding initiated, and I am not a huge fan of that. That's his game, he uses his Rocky Marciano esque tiny baby t rex arms to hit really good body shots at distances that are not physically possible for a person with normal anatomy. For what it's worth I thought Ward controlled the fight from the 6th on and I would have called it a draw, or maybe given it to Kovalev if we're scoring every round fairly and not pretending Ward didn't lose one late round as a bonus for controlling the fight as it unfolded. Andre Ward is so technically good and gets in so many sneaky punches, but he was obviously rusty, Kovalev was hitting him hard and with Choclatito accuracy early on, and all the body punches took that fine control away. Ward didn't have as much time for his plan as he thought. I think ward would have won, honestly and clearly won, if it was a 15 round fight.
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Nov 20, 2016 08:23
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jediguy posted:This is probably why I'm a bad judge of boxing but while I thought Ward did an excellent job getting back into the fight and throwing Kovalev off his rhythm I just don't think he did enough to win. Definitely won the middle rounds but I though Kovalev came back well and won the 10th and 12th. Oh well. I subscribe to the idea that you have to take the king's crown, that you should win convincingly when the title is on the line. For that reason alone I'd personally prefer the fight went to Kovalev but I know not everyone thinks this way and I don't have any problem with the decision. Though I sure do hope someone shook Kovalev by the shoulders and said "if you don't knock him out or knock him down at least twice they'll rob you". We don't know how bad the cards could have been since the fight did end up being close.
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Just caught the replay of this on sky this morning, and it was great. A rematch is welcome.Jack B Nimble posted:I subscribe to the idea that you have to take the king's crown, that you should win convincingly when the title is on the line. Objectively wrong. It could have been a slight jab in round 1 that made the difference, if it's enough to get the nod in any single round, it's enough to win.
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Nov 20, 2016 11:57
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very close. kovalev won lol
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Officer Sandvich posted:very close. kovalev won lol
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Jack B Nimble posted:I subscribe to the idea that you have to take the king's crown, that you should win convincingly when the title is on the line. For that reason alone I'd personally prefer the fight went to Kovalev but I know not everyone thinks this way and I don't have any problem with the decision. Though I sure do hope someone shook Kovalev by the shoulders and said "if you don't knock him out or knock him down at least twice they'll rob you". We don't know how bad the cards could have been since the fight did end up being close. That line of thinking is one of the main sources of robbery. A fighter who beats the champ by even one round, even if in that one decisive round it was only by one punch, should become the champ, because the champ retains on the draw. To have judges going "well he needs to clearly beat the champ to be the champ" means that close rounds end up going to fighters who lost them, and then we get bad scorecards.
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Nov 20, 2016 15:56
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if a team only beats the football league leaders 1-0 it should recorded as 0-0 imo
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Yeah, I hear you, and I can see now how stupid that sounds, and really maybe I meant it more that I prefer stronger wins when the lineal championship changes. Also, I'm looking forward to seeing what narrative developers around Ward's win - a story in which , essentially, Ward gets dropped early from Kovalev's immense power but then goes on to dig deep and produce a brilliant win, is going to play to the idea of Ward as the brilliant tactician vs Kovalev being Ivan Drago come to life like in the old "take on me" music video. The rematch will be interesting because I think Kovalev has more room for improvement; in cutting the ring off and making angles while punching.
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a good thing to do would be to actually promote the rematch too. just my 2 cents.
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People continue not giving a gently caress about Andre Ward and Kovalev loses his invincible aura At least we got a good fight out of it
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There are some scoring apps online that collect a bunch of fans' scorecards, not super scientific or anything, but here were the results with 187 cards: As you can see, this partly seems to hinge on rounds 3 and 10 for those cards. I'm a little surprised some of these rounds are so decisively Ward's though, I wonder how many people scored after the fight was over. thehappyprince posted:a good thing to do would be to actually promote the rematch too. just my 2 cents. Hopefully it helps that the actual fight was great stuff. They really both have things they can learn for the rematch.
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I'm going to close this thread now. Probably some discussion about this fight will go on until the rematch. Here's the thread for the rest of boxing stuff, join us over there for fight schedules and general chat. We may or may not make a thread for next week's bout between Lomachenko and Walters, which imo is a bit a of a sleeper candidate for Fight Of The Year.
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