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Lovechop posted:please correct me if i'm wrong (i'm a big retard who can't read so it's very possible) but your post just gave me the impression that maybe you're not a fan of jazz or you don't know it too well or something? which seems at odds with how annoyed you are at how it is used in the film. I like those small character moments, which is why I said it's a good movie but a bad musical. Paolomania posted:Also, what's with the slagging of "big band"? Jazz didn't start with bebop. And slaves owning a drum for the first time first produced structured big band? Please. Besides that, it's nothing like the music he copies or has in his bar. In a good musical, they would have made jazz music his theme and then layered ball room on top to represent mia's influence. Pirate Jet posted:It's really weird how people watched La La Land and didn't seem to pick up on the fact that Seb was in the wrong the whole time. Gotta disagree, Seb is only "wrong" in selling out. He's successful as soon as goes after his goal. The movie pretty much says the only thing stopping him was himself, while John legend has to sell out to be something. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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bushisms.txt posted:And slaves owning a drum for the first time first produced structured big band? Please. What are you saying? Unlike "slaves owning a drum for the first time", big band most definitely falls under the umbrella of Jazz, easily 20 years in if you count Jelly Roll Morton as the start. Then its 20 more years before bebop comes into its own, so to ignore all that is to ignore the 40 years of musical development through the great migration and Harlem Renaissance. That is ignoring more cultural history than the entire existence of cable television. quote:Besides that, it's nothing like the music he copies or has in his bar. In a good musical, they would have made jazz music his theme and then layered ball room on top to represent mia's influence. I agree with that.
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bushisms.txt posted:I love jazz, and it's pretty much the only radio station i listen to anymore. I'm pointing to that scene because it shows all he knows is to copy, which ties into me pointing out how the movie subtly celebrates appropriation. He even talks about how jazz is free and different from other music in that every musician can play what they want. The only other thing he plays besides his copied music, is city of Stars, which is not the free jazz he talked about. I never said he needed to sing about his love of jazz, but the music they sing and dance should have been more typical jazz, instead there's only that one scene when they run to jazz bar during a music number and the trumpet player plays while they look on in silence. Every other scene is lame boring ball room or big band. Is this copy scene the one where he was listening to the record and trying to play it back? That's just a form of practicing, imitation is how you learn about different styles of playing. I was doing the same thing with Oscar Peterson records when I was a kid.
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What if the film doesn't actually think Seb's as cool and good and hardcore jazz as he thinks he is. 
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bushisms.txt posted:Gotta disagree, Seb is only "wrong" in selling out. He's successful as soon as goes after his goal. The movie pretty much says the only thing stopping him was himself, while John legend has to sell out to be something. But John Legend's character isn't "selling out", he genuinely enjoys reinventing the genre and trying a different sound. The film makes it quite clear that neither Seb nor he are in the wrong because they're both happy with the path they've chosen, which is ultimately more important than whatever financial success said path brings.
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With John Legend: Seb doesn't play "real" jazz, doesn't chase his dream, and ignores Mia (the end result being him choosing to miss her play opening for a photoshoot, a plot point that is also unearned by what is depicted on screen) Without John Legend: Seb and Mia are together, Seb owns a jazz club, everyone is happy (the irony being, of course, that Seb wouldn't probably own that club without the money or status of being in Legend's band, but that's not necessarily supported by the film because we don't see why/how he gets there) Unless your reading of the film is that Seb and Mia are obnoxious and shouldn't actually be together -- which I think is the best read of the film and makes it worth a second watch -- it's pretty hard to say that John Legend isn't a 'bad guy' in the movie.
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i am the bird posted:Unless your reading of the film is that Seb and Mia are obnoxious and shouldn't actually be together -- which I think is the best read of the film and makes it worth a second watch -- it's pretty hard to say that John Legend isn't a 'bad guy' in the movie. Seb is definitely obnoxious. I think the jury's out on Mia. I take the ending to be their own regret-tinted interpretation of what could have been. I don't take it as a realistic possibility in any way, because they wouldn't have ever functioned as a couple long term.
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i am the bird posted:With John Legend: Seb doesn't play "real" jazz, doesn't chase his dream, and ignores Mia (the end result being him choosing to miss her play opening for a photoshoot, a plot point that is also unearned by what is depicted on screen) He may point Seb in the "wrong" direction for a while, but that doesn't make him a bad guy. He's not in the wrong, he's not malicious, he's not even thinking just "$$$". And like you said, Seb probably wouldn't get that club without the money. The problem is not so much that he takes the gig in the first place, but that he stays with it so long he starts to neglect what's best for his own artistic development.
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They replaced the guys who did the earlier ones, these new ones are so uninspiring.
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Vegetable posted:They replaced the guys who did the earlier ones, these new ones are so uninspiring. was this a jazz joke? if so sorry for the 
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Wish I knew enough about jazz to joke about it but no I was just commenting on the 8-bit cinema videos, which have gone downhill since they replaced the animator and musician behind those things
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Great opening monologue moment: "What a year for the Oscars; black people saved NASA and white people saved jazz" 
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Bottom Liner posted:Great opening monologue moment: "What a year for the Oscars; black people saved NASA and white people saved jazz" Jesus lmao how many vertebrae did they have to get taken out for that piece of autofellatio
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Jesus lmao how many vertebrae did they have to get taken out for that piece of autofellatio Have you heard of jokes
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I mean things that are jokes other than yourself in every way
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Bottom Liner posted:It was tongue in cheek... Lmao ok. I have no context. I'm very tired. Edit that's actually really embarrassing. Also my controllers broken and my dad works for Nintendo Magic Hate Ball fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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Well deserved wins for score, director, actress, and best picture. Woo! Edit holy poo poo. Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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I'm glad Gosling didn't win best actor, but I'm kinda pissed City Of Stars won best song, in no small part because it's really bad IMO. There are good things about La La Land but it definitely didn't deserve as much Academy attention as it got and I've kinda gotta wonder when Hollywood is gonna get embarrassed and stop overpromoting movies about itself.
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That was the hugest twist in Oscar history.  For anyone reading this thread but not watching: La La Land was incorrectly announced as Best Picture because Warren Beatty was given the wrong card (it was the card for Emma Stone's best actress award). Screw up was only noticed after the LLL crew was up on stage and speeches had started. They had to interrupt the speeches and announce the real winner, Moonlight.
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It would have been way worse if it happened the other way around. La La Land still won 6 including some major categories and they handled that really well despite how heartbreaking it was. If Moonlight had it given then taken back people would be crying 10 times louder. Both were clearly deserving and it's nice to see the way the awards split similar to last year (Revenant winning so many but best picture going to Spotlight, a small but important film).
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Yeah I liked La La Land a little better but there's already a backlash against it. Now that it hasn't hogged all the awards and another great movie won BP all that should die down.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah I liked La La Land a little better but there's already a backlash against it. Now that it hasn't hogged all the awards and another great movie won BP all that should die down. Film Twitter are the worst soccer parents. This incident can have them realize if their kid was "screwed" by the referee they would have run them over with their SUV. But since they got what they wanted, hey! Pizza and orange pop for everyone!
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21 Muns posted:I'm glad Gosling didn't win best actor, but I'm kinda pissed City Of Stars won best song, in no small part because it's really bad IMO. There are good things about La La Land but it definitely didn't deserve as much Academy attention as it got and I've kinda gotta wonder when Hollywood is gonna get embarrassed and stop overpromoting movies about itself. City of Stars is not only not the best original song, it's not even the best original song from La La Land, and not even the best original song from La La Land nominated for that very award.
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City of Stars is a really nice motif for the film but not really a standout song in its own right. I'd have given it to A Lovely Night or a few Moana songs personally but I don't think the winner is poo poo or anything.
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Yeah, Another Day of Sun is the best song on the soundtrack but Audition was way better than City of Stars and should have won since it was also nominated. It was much more central to the theme and a much better song all around. City of Stars didn't even feel like a full song until John Legend performed it last night, which was admittedly fantastic.
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They also seemed to completely ignore the best part of City of Stars where it picks up a little and they're both singing. I especially like the moment when Emma Stone laughs but sings through it. A nice probably unscripted moment that really makes the whole thing just more fun and likable.
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Another Day of Sun would have been a looooooot better to showcase live than whatever that thing was they did. Man was that a let down.
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It doesn't even matter, really. Since none of the songs from Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping were nominated the whole category was a joke anyway.
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