2004 primary salt thread

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big black turnout: Jan 13, 2009; Fallen Rib

howard dean would've won

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:05

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# ? May 3, 2024 17:05

Sheng-Ji Yang: Mar 5, 2014

the dean scream wasnt that big of a deal imo

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:06

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

wesley clark would have won

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:10

UV_Catastrophe: Dec 29, 2008; Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."; Pillbug

america deserves bush

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:12

Donkwich: Feb 28, 2011; Grimey Drawer

are u feelin the joementum

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:15

Fidel Castronaut: Dec 25, 2004; Houston, we're Havana problem.

Don't look at me, I voted John Edwards.

the psychic

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:19

SpaceGoku: Jul 19, 2011

I vaguely remember lurking LF during the 2008 primary and remember people retelling stories from the 2004 primary

here's some that I mostly remember

when john edwards was getting vetted by kerry for the 2004 vp slot he tried to win over kerry by telling him a story about the time that he (edwards) climbed into his dead son's coffin and hugged his body and cried in a private viewing at the funeral and told kerry that this was the first time he had ever told anyone about this, but kerry was put at extreme unease because he remembers edwards telling him that story years earlier (he still picked edwards for his vp slot lmao haha)

here's one that's maybe from 2008, I'm not entirely sure sorry if I break the rules of the thread on accident:

john edwards was such a distant father who spent all his time self-aggrandizing and chasing skirts and neglecting his family that his small children (pre-kindergarten) thought that their babysitter was their mom (because their real mom was sick as heck with cancer) and then when they got a new babysitter they weren't sure what to do so they just started calling her mom instead

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:24

Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Mass media controls people - look at how they used the Barney the Dinosaur story to turn human rights violations into a joke.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:26

Yossarian-22: Oct 26, 2014

Kucinich would've won

# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:49

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

i scream 4 dean

# ? Jan 14, 2017 04:04

Fidel Castronaut: Dec 25, 2004; Houston, we're Havana problem.

Yossarian-22 posted:

Kucinich would've won

Kucinich's wife is pretty.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 04:20

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

big black turnout posted:

howard dean would've won

# ? Jan 14, 2017 04:30

SpiderHyphenMan: Apr 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

That black guy who gave the speech at the convention should kick John Kerry in the rear end and show him how it's done.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 05:03

Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

That black guy who gave the speech at the convention should kick John Kerry in the rear end and show him how it's done.

Maybe he'll run in 2012 or 2016 - he seems like a newbie and I don't know if America is ready for a black President.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 05:07

Salt Fish: Sep 11, 2003; Cybernetic Crumb

consumed by normies posted:

the dean scream wasnt that big of a deal imo

This always bothered me, it's almost the opposite of trump's teflon coating.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 05:10

Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Salt Fish posted:

This always bothered me, it's almost the opposite of trump's teflon coating.

The systems of perception management were actually at their peak power post 9/11 - it was us crazy kids on ytmnd who started to break the spell. Now they have adapted and created a website for deranged boomers.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 05:16

Fidel Castronaut: Dec 25, 2004; Houston, we're Havana problem.

Salt Fish posted:

This always bothered me, it's almost the opposite of trump's teflon coating.

He was upsetting the neoliberal arm of the democratic party, which is to say the whole democratic party, so he had to go and that was the best they had. They tried to make hay out of the fact that his son got a DUI or something while Dean was running but people didn't give a poo poo.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:14

Lord of Pie: Mar 2, 2007

Salt Fish posted:

This always bothered me, it's almost the opposite of trump's teflon coating.

It's 2004 and things still matter

# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:51

CrumFUNist!: Nov 27, 2005

Fidel Castronaut posted:

He was upsetting the neoliberal arm of the democratic party, which is to say the whole democratic party, so he had to go and that was the best they had. They tried to make hay out of the fact that his son got a DUI or something while Dean was running but people didn't give a poo poo.

Pattern emerges. democrats hate candidates from vermont.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:55

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

SpaceGoku posted:

I vaguely remember lurking LF during the 2008 primary and remember people retelling stories from the 2004 primary

here's some that I mostly remember

when john edwards was getting vetted by kerry for the 2004 vp slot he tried to win over kerry by telling him a story about the time that he (edwards) climbed into his dead son's coffin and hugged his body and cried in a private viewing at the funeral and told kerry that this was the first time he had ever told anyone about this, but kerry was put at extreme unease because he remembers edwards telling him that story years earlier (he still picked edwards for his vp slot lmao haha)

I definitely remember this story from multiple sources.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:56

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

not only did he tell kerry that story years earlier, but he also told kerry years earlier that he was the first one he ever told that story to

# ? Jan 14, 2017 07:04

deadgoon: Dec 4, 2014; by FactsAreUseless

john kerry was a bad candidate who lost to george w loving bush

deadgoon has issued a correction as of 07:18 on Jan 14, 2017

# ? Jan 14, 2017 07:07

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

Fidel Castronaut posted:

He was upsetting the neoliberal arm of the democratic party, which is to say the whole democratic party, so he had to go and that was the best they had. They tried to make hay out of the fact that his son got a DUI or something while Dean was running but people didn't give a poo poo.

dean didn't "upset the neoliberal arm of the democratic party." he was one of them. dean was actually a conservative governor who played progressive by backing singlepayer and making GBS threads on the war in iraq more than everyone else, but as a governor he pretty firmly occupied the center.

quote:

Conservative Vermont business leaders praise Dean's record and his unceasing efforts to balance the budget, even though Vermont is the only state where a balanced budget is not constitutionally required. Moreover, they argue that the two most liberal policies adopted during Dean's tenure -- the "civil unions" law and a radical revamping of public school financing -- were instigated by Vermont's ultraliberal Supreme Court rather than Dean. "He was not a left-wing wacko," says Bill Stenger, a Republican and president of Jay Peak Resort, who says he supported Dean because of his "fiscally responsible, socially conscious policies."

Business leaders were especially impressed with the way Dean went to bat for them if they got snarled in the state's stringent environmental regulations. When Canada's Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. wanted to build a new manufacturing plant on 700 acres of Vermont farmland in the mid-'90s, for instance, Dean greased the wheels. Husky obtained the necessary permits in near-record time. "He was very hands-on," says an appreciative Dirk Schlimm, the Husky executive in charge of the project.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2003-08-10/whos-the-real-howard-dean

quote:

As governor, Dean preserved hundreds of thousands of acres of forests and lakes and mountains that had come under intense development pressure, passed a landmark health insurance program for children, insisted on pumping money into town centers rather than into sprawling suburbs and signed a bill that allowed gay couples to enter into civil unions.

At the same time, the former doctor resisted raising income taxes, vetoed some social spending for the elderly, and showered tens of millions of dollars in controversial tax breaks to attract businesses to Vermont, although most of the company officials acknowledged they would have relocated or expanded without subsidies. Dean poured relatively little money into state colleges and the university, where tuition costs are the highest in the nation.

"I'm a fiscal conservative, and I believe in social justice," Dean said in a recent interview. "I'm most proud of our fiscal stability -- I left the state in better shape than I found it."

...

"Gov. Snelling had the courage to raise taxes," Dean said at the time. "I have the courage to cut spending."

...

Dean, over the objections of liberals, let Snelling's income tax increase sunset in 1994. He also vetoed several social welfare spending bills. He was, always, the embattled man of the middle. "He was very artful," said Elizabeth Ready, the state auditor and a liberal former state representative. "He was always saying: 'You've got your nuts on the left, your nuts on the right, and you've got me.' "

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Dean-not-as-liberal-as-he-seems-Vermont-s-fiery-2562919.php

# ? Jan 14, 2017 07:11

Lord of Pie: Mar 2, 2007

deadgoon posted:

john kerry was a bad candidate who lost to george h loving w bush

And yet there is no Kerry woods selfie series

# ? Jan 14, 2017 07:11

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

big windsufer here

# ? Jan 14, 2017 07:12

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

dean's polling was in decline before the scream, it got the blame for what was really a scrutiny-phase decline

# ? Jan 14, 2017 08:04

Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Fallen Hamprince posted:

scrutiny-phase decline

lol you still believe this poo poo

reality tv, bitch

# ? Jan 14, 2017 13:57

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

SpaceGoku posted:

when john edwards was getting vetted by kerry for the 2004 vp slot he tried to win over kerry by telling him a story about the time that he (edwards) climbed into his dead son's coffin and hugged his body and cried in a private viewing at the funeral and told kerry that this was the first time he had ever told anyone about this, but kerry was put at extreme unease because he remembers edwards telling him that story years earlier

oh my loving god

# ? Jan 14, 2017 14:59

Mariana Horchata: Jun 30, 2008; College Slice

I barely even remember 2004 and prob voted Bush

# ? Jan 14, 2017 15:08

Trumps Baby Hands: Mar 27, 2016; Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

iirc there was a podcast (538 maybe?) where they talked to Dean and he said that the volume of the crowd was deafening and he couldn't hear himself in the monitor, so all of the "screaming" was just him trying his best to be heard over all the noise. It made his face turn red and his voice growley so he looked like a lunatic, but that aside, the "We're going to x, and then we're going to x!" is really normal campaign rhetoric, and the "yaw!" was just a bit of unforunate silliness.

The problem was that this was pre-social media/blogs/etc., so when the mainstream media talking heads said that he was done because he looked unpresidential, that became the capital T Truth.

# ? Jan 14, 2017 16:30

Donkwich: Feb 28, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Also the microphone he was using cancelled out a lot of the crowd noise and makes the scream seem out of place. There's another clip of the same scream from a different mic/camera and it sounds way more normal.

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Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

I recall the media spin was literally 'if a politician gets worked up and shouting we're on the road to nazi germany'

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