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All I can imagine right now is a derogatory term for someone who would be on the tanks' side at Tiananmen Square.
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close, it originally refers to old-school communists who supported soviet invasions of socialist republics in eastern europe during the cold war, such as the suppression of the prague spring
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if you ever see anyone unironically say "Stalin did nothing wrong", that's a tankie. basically willing sockpuppets for authoritarian states
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it mean dudes that support every part of the old USSR including human rights abuses. it can also mean "you are farther left than I am and that bothers me on a profound level" from more centrist-y democrats
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I believe the term is related to the Iosef Stalin series of heavy tanks, for the tank bit.
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homework explainer, you are hereby summoned to the thread to post nine paragraphs
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jBrereton posted:I believe the term is related to the Iosef Stalin series of heavy tanks, for the tank bit. I think it's actually tied to the Tanks the Russians rolled in to Czechoslovakia and Hungary in the 50s and 60s. That was seen as a major breaking point between the Communist Party and western supporters of communism, although some believed they had to continue solidarity with the party.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:I think it's actually tied to the Tanks the Russians rolled in to Czechoslovakia and Hungary in the 50s and 60s. That was seen as a major breaking point between the Communist Party and western supporters of communism, although some believed they had to continue solidarity with the party.
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Can also weirdly extend to modern authoritarian states that aren't allied with the U.S., e.g. Russia, Syria, and Libya under Gaddafi
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I believe the origins of the term go back to the Soviet decision to send the tanks into Hungary in 1956 after the government there started acting too independent. A lot of communists in the west left their parties, the ones who stuck around and aggressively defended the need to suppress the Hungarian uprising (and various other interventions since like Czechoslovakia in 68) are called 'tankies' cause they were always defending the Soviet decision to send the tanks in.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Can also weirdly extend to modern authoritarian states that aren't allied with the U.S., e.g. Russia, Syria, and Libya under Gaddafi Gaddafi did nothing wrong
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can't we go 15 minutes without slandering stalin's good name on these forums?
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call to action posted:Gaddafi did nothing wrong Well, you can't really blame people for believing that since George W. Bush and Tony Blair went from calling Gadaffi a tyrannical despot to calling him a great philosopher and a leader for world peace, after he admitted to the Lockerbie bombing even though he never actually did it, just to get economic sanctions lifted from his country. (They blamed Gadaffi for it because they were too scared to go up against DADDY ASSAD in Syria back then) Then they immediately turned on him and called him a despot again when the Arab Spring came along and Hillary saw an opportunity for a puppet regime and he was beaten to death in the streets and now Libya is a horrible shithole.
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jarofpiss posted:can't we go 15 minutes without slandering stalin's good name on these forums?
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PenguinKnight posted:it can also mean "you are farther left than I am and that bothers me on a profound level" from more centrist-y democrats the "DPRK is actually great" and "Stalin did nothing wrong" fronts are as ironic and tiny as the people who once pretended to be racist on 4chan (before the actual racists came in)
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Tankies to me are right wing communists so narrowly committed to anti-imperialism, that they'd side with the military dictatorship of Burma if they thought the United States was trying to undermine it.
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papa_november posted:the "DPRK is actually great" and "Stalin did nothing wrong" fronts are as ironic and tiny as the people who once pretended to be racist on 4chan (before the actual racists came in) Given what happened to pol, I'm not sure that example is instructive in the way that you intend Like maybe we should be more aggressive and merciless about calling out and culling anything remotely tankish Pener Kropoopkin posted:Tankies to me are right wing communists so narrowly committed to anti-imperialism, that they'd side with the military dictatorship of Burma if they thought the United States was trying to undermine it. Yeah, my answer for how I use it would be to describe any socialist/communist who's so committed to a Cold War mentality that they think the total annihilation of the United States is the answer to everybody's problems and thus anyone opposed to the United States must be doing something right (even if they're actually far right, bloodthirsty dictatorships, repressive theocracies, etc) Baku has issued a correction as of 07:44 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Weeping Wound posted:homework explainer, you are hereby summoned to the thread to post nine paragraphs hard pass
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R. Guyovich posted:hard pass given these posts, it's a given
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wizard on a water slide posted:Yeah, my answer for how I use it would be to describe any socialist/communist who's so committed to a Cold War mentality that they think the total annihilation of the United States is the answer to everybody's problems and thus anyone opposed to the United States must be doing something right (even if they're actually far right, bloodthirsty dictatorships, repressive theocracies, etc) The problem with Western regime change though, is that they're almost always in favor of interests that are even worse than those right wing regimes. The real fault line is where they'd sooner side with an anti-American state over actually existing communist movements because they think the regime is better able to resist imperialism. The endpoint of that line of reasoning is that there's never going to be another socialist revolution again, because right wing states can always reflexively suppress leftists indefinitely in the name of anti-imperialism.
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I'm a tankie. I support the khamer rouge and the DPRK.
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communists are an essential part of the left-wing ecosystem and they should never have been hunted to extinction
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Who Is Paul Blart posted:I'm a tankie. I support the khamer rouge and the DPRK. khmer rouge were backed by the united states and eventually got quashed by vietnam with the backing of the soviet union 
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I support Stalin's mustache but condemn his reign of terror.
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Is it related to the phrase "in the tank for..." in any way? I've also been wondering about that one but I imagined it more like a fish tank.
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Fullhouse posted:if you ever see anyone unironically say "Stalin did nothing wrong", that's a tankie. basically willing sockpuppets for authoritarian states But Stalin didn’t do anything wrong, comrade.
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Caithness posted:Is it related to the phrase "in the tank for..." in any way? I've also been wondering about that one but I imagined it more like a fish tank. No the etymology of that is from diving into a pool, colloquially called going in the tank, and then boxers "taking a dive" i.e. throwing a match got associated with it too So to be in the tank for someone in that sense is to intentionally try to hand them a win
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Caithness posted:Is it related to the phrase "in the tank for..." in any way? It is if you're in the tank for Joseph Stalin.
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i'm in the septic tank for stalin
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Hilario Baldness posted:It is if you're in the tank for Joseph Stalin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNaV2Usxlc
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The problem with Western regime change though, is that they're almost always in favor of interests that are even worse than those right wing regimes. The real fault line is where they'd sooner side with an anti-American state over actually existing communist movements because they think the regime is better able to resist imperialism. imo, that has way more to do with the destabilizing nature of U.S interventions than the leaders themselves Like with the Ukraine for instance, U.S. support of Euromaidan was destabilizing, and likewise so was Russian support for Donetsk rebels. The act of regime change in and of itself breeds authoritarianism/war Yossarian-22 has issued a correction as of 12:28 on Jan 29, 2017 |
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yeah it's a super vague term that can mean anything from 'person to the left of the congressional democrats' to 'person who grudgingly admits that the soviet union made 'mistakes' to be learned from' to 'person who unironically praises rightist reactionary imperialists that happen to be opposed to america' depending on the speaker but it has a great ring to it. tankie. tankie.
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fast cars loose anus posted:No the etymology of that is from diving into a pool, colloquially called going in the tank, and then boxers "taking a dive" i.e. throwing a match got associated with it too And from that same origin you get the verb "to tank", to fail.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrPAagXeky0
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From the mouth of a liberal it's essentially a convenient trick to try not too sound too much like a Bush supporter.
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Agnosticnixie posted:From the mouth of a liberal it's essentially a convenient trick to try not too sound too much like a Bush supporter. nah
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Trumpenproletariat posted:Well, you can't really blame people for believing that since George W. Bush and Tony Blair went from calling Gadaffi a tyrannical despot to calling him a great philosopher and a leader for world peace, after he admitted to the Lockerbie bombing even though he never actually did it, just to get economic sanctions lifted from his country. (They blamed Gadaffi for it because they were too scared to go up against DADDY ASSAD in Syria back then) you know who else wanted to topple gaddafi? thats right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTqoz0RYvVM
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