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DaysBefore: Jan 24, 2019

Cassian of Imola posted:

the USSR probably could have replaced a violent paranoid maniac with somebody else in the 1930s and done just fine. many other successful communist governments get by without a literally insane guy calling the shots

Lmfao

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:19

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 16:39

F Stop Fitzgerald: Dec 12, 2010

Cassian of Imola posted:

the USSR probably could have replaced a violent paranoid maniac with somebody else in the 1930s and done just fine. many other successful communist governments get by without a literally insane guy calling the shots

dumb bitch

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:20

rudecyrus: Nov 6, 2009; fuck you trolls

*ussr industrializes, defeats genocidal state, quality of life skyrockets*

Stalin: gently caress, this isn't what I wanted at all!

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:23

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

Cassian of Imola posted:

the USSR probably could have replaced a violent paranoid maniac with somebody else in the 1930s and done just fine. many other successful communist governments get by without a literally insane guy calling the shots

the DSA!!

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:23

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

the USSR was a continental sized state, it was not "one guy with a moustache". its leadership represented victorious elements/factions within the revolutionary society and was reflective of it, good and bad. thinking the USSR was great while abhorring what it actually did is a fundamentally stupid position - like I said, legit anticommunism is far more coherent than these idiots.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:23

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:23

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:24

F Stop Fitzgerald: Dec 12, 2010

anti communists always try paint stalin as some hardcore murdering badass just because he wore a sick hat. they dont want to admit they are scared of a manlet nerd with a gay little weenie voice.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:24

stumblebum: May 8, 2022; no, what you want to do is get somebody mad enough to give you a red title you're proud of

Cassian of Imola posted:

the USSR probably could have replaced a violent paranoid maniac with somebody else in the 1930s and done just fine. many other successful communist governments get by without a literally insane guy calling the shots

interesting, and does this "stalin" individual ever speak to you directly?

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:24

DaysBefore: Jan 24, 2019

stumblebum posted:

interesting, and does this "stalin" individual ever speak to you directly?

He speaks to me. He says 'Hitler ftw' and 'death to Polacks' and that is why I support him

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:25

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

This man stole all our grain doctors hate him!

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:25

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Son of Sorrow posted:

If you want a much deeper discussion of this, I encourage you to take it to the Marxism thread. But in brief: Trotsky was right imo. But he was such an obnoxious goon about it that he managed to get himself killed. Early Trotskyists saw this not as a political failure on Trotsky's part to learn from but rather an indictment of the Soviet system entirely and Stalin personally as excessively authoritarian. In the decades since, the Trotskyist movement has been an ideological shelter for very annoying contrarians (like Trotsky), which Marxist movements already attract in spades. In my personal experience, a lot of the Trotskyists around where I'm at end up there either because they have an anti-Stalinist view (irrelevant but like Trotsky himself they can't shut up about it), or (more commonly) because they can't hack it in the social circles of other Marxists.

This has made them a very attractive current for various global anti-communist interests, because all you need to do it pay a pittance to keep their newspaper running and they'll act as irritating wreckers for you.

That said, not all Trotskyist groups are like this, of course. In my view Socialist Alternative is one of the more effective anti-capitalist groups in the United States, in that they've had any effect at all, anywhere. My personal interactions with SA members have generally been productive and they generally demonstrate some kind of internal discipline, which is woefully short supply in the anti-capitalist movement generally.

they said nobody builds a statue to a critic, trotsky proved otherwise. and the tankies will never forgive him�

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:40

Cassian of Imola: Feb 9, 2011; Keeping her memory alive!

thinking about that scene in death of stalin when stalin fell over and peed his pants :laugh:

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:44

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Cassian of Imola posted:

hey quick question op what was the USSR's policy on the Nazis before deciding that defeating them was the best strategy, and what made them change their minds

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:47

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Ferrinus posted:

the cpc allied with the kmt on two separate occasions, the second time after a disastrous betrayal, and the result was that they liberated china from the foreign invaders and domestic capitalists both. this probably explains why mao praised stalin for his contributions to socialism and the cpc upholds stalin to this day

this was being discussed in GiP recently.

Orwell is evergreen :smug:

quote:

quote:
Material facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which, it is felt, ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied.[6] In 1927 Chiang Kai-Shek boiled hundreds of Communists alive, and yet within ten years he had become one of the heroes of the Left. The re-alignment of world politics had brought him into the anti-Fascist camp, and so it was felt that the boiling of the Communists �didn�t count�, or perhaps had not happened.

The specific example of revisionism he uses to illustrate the point has since been revised into the memory hole, incredible

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:49

Ferrinus: Jun 19, 2003; i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Cassian of Imola posted:

thinking about that scene in death of stalin when stalin fell over and peed his pants

i wonder why lib dem supporter armando iannucci chose to depict stalin that way

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:54

Cassian of Imola: Feb 9, 2011; Keeping her memory alive!

Ferrinus posted:

i wonder why lib dem supporter armando iannucci chose to depict stalin that way

an unshakeable commitment to the truth, I imagine

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:57

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Stalin is Jesus, but authoritarian. hope this clears up some stuff

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:58

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020; The hotter, the wetter, the better

Homeless Friend posted:

stalin is Jesus, but authoritarian. hope this clears up some stuff

it does, thank you.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:58

Dixon Chisholm: Jan 2, 2020

dick sucking academy

# ? Apr 25, 2024 01:07

Tsitsikovas: Aug 2, 2023

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

anti communists always try paint stalin as some hardcore murdering badass just because he wore a sick hat. they dont want to admit they are scared of a manlet nerd with a gay little weenie voice.

Lil homie gay weenie voice

# ? Apr 25, 2024 01:08

DaysBefore: Jan 24, 2019

mawarannahr posted:

this was being discussed in GiP recently.

Orwell is evergreen

Leftist hero Chiang Kai Shek

# ? Apr 25, 2024 01:08

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

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Leftist hero Chiang Kai Shek

# ? Apr 25, 2024 01:11

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

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Leftist hero Chiang Kai Shek

# ? Apr 25, 2024 01:13

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020; The hotter, the wetter, the better

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Leftist hero Chiang Kai Shek

# ? Apr 25, 2024 01:15

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Cassian do you like modern day China?

# ? Apr 25, 2024 01:27

Ferrinus: Jun 19, 2003; i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

here's some cool dsa news. the IC's statement on the iran strike was acknowledged by al mayadeen

https://www.almayadeen.net/news/pol...%A5%D8%B3%D8%B1

# ? Apr 25, 2024 01:37

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

I totally and unconditionally support the USSR recovering it's stolen territory from Poland in 1938 in an effort to protect it's citizens, the mostly White Russian and Little Russian people who lived there.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 06:21

rudecyrus: Nov 6, 2009; fuck you trolls

Dixon Chisholm posted:

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 06:24

Pomeroy: Apr 20, 2020

Ferrinus posted:

if you're going to pretend that you don't understand why the molotov-ribbentrop pact happened how can you possibly be trusted to discuss the rest of socialist history

Yeah, there's no question the Soviet Union made mistakes on Stalin's watch, and they can be worth discussing, but condemning him for Molotov-Ribbentrop, or treating it as anything other than a desperate last resort, tells you someone isn't operating in good faith.

Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 07:00 on Apr 25, 2024

# ? Apr 25, 2024 06:49