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PT6A posted:There's a proposal in my province to "enforce" the payment of tickets by not allowing someone with an outstanding ticket to register a vehicle. Although this still could result in someone who can't pay, yet needs a car, driving without registration or unable to drive, it does have the notable advantage that it doesn't actually suspend the person's license, so if they need to drive a vehicle for work they can still do that. They do a similar thing here in Chile. They won't go after you for minor fines but you have to pay them before you can register or sell the vehicle (tickets follow the vehicle rather than the person). They suspend your license for a period for almost any traffic infraction, though, in addition to fining you. Jethro posted:Not fining people who can't pay fines is not the same as letting people off scot-free. If someone can't pay, they still get a ticket, and have to take time out of their lives to demonstrate they are unable to pay. And I think most places, at least in the US, have mechanisms to suspend licenses for continued violations within a given time period. This policy isn't about never suspending anyone's license if they're poor, it's about not suspending someone's license just because they can't pay a fine and the violation would not otherwise call for a license suspension. Man this might sound horrible but that seems like an expensive proposition for the taxpayers for little gain. How much should the state spend to separate those who can't pay from those who merely don't want to?
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TheImmigrant posted:What is your distinction between revenge and retribution? And, divorced from deterrence, what societal good does retribution advance? If you think retribution in itself is a valid policy goal, where and how do you draw a line between lethal injection and burning at the stake? I think retribution is primarily a moral principle. The benefit it has for society is demonstrating rejection of bad behavior, (this is different from deterrence,) but that's kind of ancillary, because I think that those who do wrong being punished is, like free speech, an inherent good irrespective of its benefit to society. I think the "pedophile island" thought experiment someone posted earlier does a good job of illustrating the concept. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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DC Murderverse posted:And does that criteria outweigh the potential for error (not just in executing innocents, but also the bias towards executing minorities, men, and poor people)? But basically everything the justice system does has a bias towards disproportionally hurting those groups.
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Patrick Spens posted:But basically everything the justice system does has a bias towards disproportionally hurting those groups. It's even more pronounced when you look at people sentenced to death. https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/857717418738823168
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So it looks like Arkansas botched the procedure; the guy being executed was writhing and groaning during his final moments. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39757031 Why the gently caress wouldn't you just use a gun? The US has enough of those things, right? Just get a guy with a handgun to deliver one shot to the medulla oblongata.
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Plucky Brit posted:So it looks like Arkansas botched the procedure; the guy being executed was writhing and groaning during his final moments. Yeah. Tell the 20/hr prison guard to go in there and just cap someone
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Apr 30, 2017 11:29
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Plucky Brit posted:So it looks like Arkansas botched the procedure; the guy being executed was writhing and groaning during his final moments. Good. But the death penalty should still be banned in the U.S.
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Plucky Brit posted:So it looks like Arkansas botched the procedure; the guy being executed was writhing and groaning during his final moments. We have tons of guns. The problem is that using a gun, or a guillotine, and so on, is that is strips away the fig leaf of a 'medical procedure' that lethal injection offers. It allows for a life to be taken with a minimum amount of introspection or direct culpability placed on a single person. The only way that the continued barbaric practice of the state executing its own citizens can be excused is by plastering over its core nature with a veneer of advanced and civilized medicine.
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DC Murderverse posted:It's even more pronounced when you look at people sentenced to death. Black people make up 55 percent of people sentenced to death, and 56 percent of people sentenced to life without parole.
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wateroverfire posted:Man this might sound horrible but that seems like an expensive proposition for the taxpayers for little gain. How much should the state spend to separate those who can't pay from those who merely don't want to?
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LeJackal posted:We have tons of guns. The problem is that using a gun, or a guillotine, and so on, is that is strips away the fig leaf of a 'medical procedure' that lethal injection offers. It allows for a life to be taken with a minimum amount of introspection or direct culpability placed on a single person. The only way that the continued barbaric practice of the state executing its own citizens can be excused is by plastering over its core nature with a veneer of advanced and civilized medicine. However I suspect due to the notorious bad history of asphyxiation before, is why they do not want to return to the gas chamber. **Edit Current methods of execution... Aphyxiation (gas chamber) Hanging Electrocution Firing squad Lethal injection Senor P. fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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