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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Cerv posted:he's boasted of signing up as a £3 supporter to vote for him. then gone on to vote SNP rather than Corbyn's Labour in the 2016 election Wrong. I'm a unite member, and tried to vote for Corbyn because I wanted to see a shift to the left. I was unable to do so because of leadership election wankery. As a Swiss citizen, I'm not allowed to vote for UK or Scottish elections. I'm a member of the SSP and will continue to campaign for a socialist party that supports Scottish independence.
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Miftan posted:You're ignoring my rad CCCP joke though. You seem to have an r where there should be a b
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Mar 31, 2017 22:38
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forkboy84 posted:Except that reality proves that this is not the case. That Jeremy Corbyn as leader, despite his best intentions, is in fact dragging the country to the right. Who is this mythical left-winger to replace Corbyn but be better at everything Corbyn is poo poo at? And if they exist why the gently caress aren't we making them leader right now? Corbyn isn't 'dragging the country to the right'. The Tories are attempting to do that, as they always do. Blaming the people who actually oppose them for not opposing well enough rather than blaming the Tories themselves is why the left always descends into infighting. And there are a couple of left-wing options to replace Corbyn. The reason they haven't is because they literally can't because the PLP won't have it. The fact that you need to ask that makes me wonder if you've even been paying attention.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:39
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Namtab posted:You seem to have an r where there should be a b ignobing isn't a word?
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Mar 31, 2017 22:40
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Coohoolin posted:Wrong. I'm a unite member, and tried to vote for Corbyn because I wanted to see a shift to the left. I was unable to do so because of leadership election wankery. As a Swiss citizen, I'm not allowed to vote for UK or Scottish elections. I'm a member of the SSP and will continue to campaign for a socialist party that supports Scottish independence. A student trade union member. What a world.
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Mar 31, 2017 23:05
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Students do have to work sometimes, pissflaps. Workers should be unionized.
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Mar 31, 2017 23:06
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Although the Socialist Worker Student Society (the SWP youth wing) often failed all four criteria.  (The remnants of the SWP in Leeds are mostly seen on campus these days trying to sign people up for SUTR)
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Mar 31, 2017 23:08
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Pissflaps posted:A student trade union member. What a world. What does this even mean? The vast, vast majority of college/university students are employed. It's a very small privileged minority that gets to study full time.
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Mar 31, 2017 23:39
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Pissflaps is an Old so university was probably free or something back when he was a whippersnapper.
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I should have joined a union when I was a student so I wouldn't have got shafted by my boss who rightly saw students as people who wouldn't complain.
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Mar 31, 2017 23:59
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Posting in April in the March thread!!!
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Apr 1, 2017 00:00
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Namtab posted:Posting in April in the March thread!!! Seems we are all .... the April Fool
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Apr 1, 2017 00:01
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I'm a rebel. Actually I feel like there is some sort of socialist critique to be made of the fact that Guavanaut invariably does the labour of making a new OP and all we do is shitpost.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:02
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OwlFancier posted:I'm a rebel. My posts are actually good, and not poo poo
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Apr 1, 2017 00:05
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OwlFancier posted:Pissflaps is an Old so university was probably free or something back when he was a whippersnapper. The presence of good public universities only changes the ratio slightly. There's a very good public university in Argentina (the UBA is considered to be better than almost all privates, actually), people still work while attending because you have to help your family, you have transport/books/materials costs, also building some work experience is kinda important so you don't graduate with zero experience, etc etc.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:06
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Pochoclo posted:The vast, vast majority of college/university students are employed. This doesn't ring true.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:23
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Pissflaps posted:This doesn't ring true. Ok so in the UK it's not the VAST majority because first world I guess, but it's still a majority. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/aug/11/students-work-part-time-employability quote:More students now work to fund their studies, new research shows, with the number of working students now standing at 59%. This was in 2014 so that's probably a bit over 60% now.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:26
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Pissflaps posted:This doesn't ring true. Pochoclo posted:The vast, vast majority of college/university students are employed. I'm going to need you both to provide evidence to support your assertions, while bearing in mind that part time employment is still employment
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Apr 1, 2017 00:26
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Namtab posted:I'm going to need you both to provide evidence to support your assertions, while bearing in mind that part time employment is still employment I've already retracted the "vast" qualifier for the UK, but it's still a majority.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:27
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Pochoclo posted:Ok so in the UK it's not the VAST majority because first world I guess, but it's still a majority. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/aug/11/students-work-part-time-employability I'm counting that as evidence to support your claim, any evidence for the counter claim flaps?
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Apr 1, 2017 00:28
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Pissflaps posted:This doesn't ring true. https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/timeseries/ycdj/lms ONS lists just under 1.1 million students or schoolgoers in work. http://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/facts-and-stats/Pages/higher-education-data.aspx Universities UK lists 2.28 million students total. I assume that employment is probably weighted more towards undergrads/postgrads than 6th form college students but I can't find stats because it's rather hard to google stats for student employment without getting graduate rates. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 00:29
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OwlFancier posted:https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/timeseries/ycdj/lms These figures don't seem to include part time students working full time, which would also be working students
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Apr 1, 2017 00:31
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Namtab posted:These figures don't seem to include part time students working full time, which would also be working students You are correct, not sure if ONS has that data, didn't show up when I searched.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:32
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Pochoclo posted:Ok so in the UK it's not the VAST majority because first world I guess, but it's still a majority. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/aug/11/students-work-part-time-employability That seems to be a study of University students. Add in college students and it'll drop to well under half.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:32
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Pissflaps posted:That seems to be a study of University students. Add in college students and it'll drop to well under half. Ill need evidence to support this.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:36
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Interesting the number of students in employment seems to have peaked around 2006 so it's possible that workers would have been in the majority then. Don't have HE rates for 2006 though.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:38
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OwlFancier posted:Pissflaps is an Old so university was probably free or something back when he was a whippersnapper. I'm an Old. All of my uni was free with a grant, it paid for my rent and supposed food. I lost 5-6 stone eating nothing by a small tin of beans, one potato waffle, 2 slices of bread, and some brown rice every day for 4 loving years.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:39
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Namtab posted:Ill need evidence to support this. Owlfancier already provided you with it and you quoted it?
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Apr 1, 2017 00:39
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OwlFancier posted:I appreciated your CCCP joke.
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Apr 1, 2017 00:49
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Pissflaps posted:Owlfancier already provided you with it and you quoted it? Fair enough, let's have a look In 2015/16 there were 2.25m people in uni, of which 1.7m were full time and 540,000(rounded down) were part time. In the academic year 2015/16 there was an average of approx 1,050,000 people in school and university who had part time jobs. I imagine the majority of these are college/uni age but this figure may also include paper routes and other jobs kids take early. There is no figure available for number of college students for that year linked. At present, there is insufficient evidence to judge either way.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm a rebel. New thread is up here.
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