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Tekopo posted:There is no one that invested in Scum, I'm sorry. I've heard the above many times but I think it's a myth. I think the more likely story is that it just wasn't seen during playtesting. That J2K build relied on a interaction between two upgrade cards, R4 Agromech and Deadeye, which had been in game forever and had both been considered pretty useless until that point. Plus, at that point in the game, the notion that torpedoes could actually be good was downright absurd to most people, as they had been hot garbage since wave 1. In other words, it required assembling three awful things and putting them on this entirely new ship to create something broken. It's a combo that feels blindingly obvious once it has dominated your meta for months, but it's totally understandable that playtesting didn't catch it.
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People weren't really invested in making the jumpmaster a good ship. Scum didn't have a following like it does now because there weren't that many ships available at the time. It's something that people have said about the Jumpmaster with no basis on actual fact.Geisladisk posted:That J2K build relied on a interaction between two upgrade cards, R4 Agromech and Deadeye, which had been in game forever and had both been considered pretty useless until that point. Plus, at that point in the game, the notion that torpedoes could actually be good was downright absurd to most people, as they had been hot garbage since wave 1. In other words, it required assembling three awful things and putting them on this entirely new ship to create something broken. Tekopo fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Plus the notion of people being invested in certain X-Wing factions doesn't really add up, since X-Wing's upgrade model forces you to buy one of everything to get the upgrades you need. It's not like Warhammer or whatever where you are heavily invested in one or maybe two factions, since owning all the stuff is a prerequisite to playing the game competitively anyway. 
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I'm not saying I was on playtesting or knew people who were butGeisladisk posted:Plus the notion of people being invested in certain X-Wing factions doesn't really add up, since X-Wing's upgrade model forces you to buy one of everything to get the upgrades you need. It's not like Warhammer or whatever where you are heavily invested in one or maybe two factions, since owning all the stuff is a prerequisite to playing the game competitively anyway. Scum has been solidly shown to be the big ship faction and for that I like them much more than the other two
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Y'all! New GW might actually be honestly good. I wans't prepared for this.
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Wow.
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I hope they go all out to with female marines and making some primarchs women. Just blame it on lovely historians and let the reawakining primarch correct them. "And who is this Leman Russ you keep talking about? Wait, you mean Herja Russ? Oh boy haha, she's never gonna let you live this one down." Wanna watch the meltdowns if that ever happens.
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I learned in the  skellie thread that female marines were a thing way back but they stopped including them in the writing. 
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Chill la Chill posted:I learned in the I don't know about the writing but they did produce two female space marine figures back in the RT era, in the Space Adventurers range. They were pretty awful though.
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what if... becoming good is what kills gw?!?
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Cat Face Joe posted:what if... becoming good is what kills gw?!? I can't wait to see grognards burning their
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 Legit impressed if they commit to it.
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Bistromatic posted:Y'all! I have been trash-talking GW for ages for being poo poo, but this is legitimately good and I looked up the referenced miniatures and they're pretty solid. Brightshield is fully armored without boobcups, has a helmet option, and is posed like she's heading to fight. I mean I could pick at specific proportions but they're basically all the same issues with other figures and mostly about GW's style rather than failings of a female miniature. So, good job GW, you did it. I can only guess that this is a side effect of when we jumped the tracks into the darkest reality last year.
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I was not aware that GW's studio has a three year lead time. I would have guessed they were working 12-18 months ahead of releases. I wonder if that is just the sculptors working on designs? Just think, GW were probably sitting on the big Marine designs for over 2 years before dropping the bombshell.
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Ugleb posted:I was not aware that GW's studio has a three year lead time. I would have guessed they were working 12-18 months ahead of releases. I wonder if that is just the sculptors working on designs? I'm kind of surprised people don't know about this. Bringing a model from concept to release is a very long process pretty much regardless of which studio you're talking about. 3 years isn't out of the ordinary at all. Their studio is working on a large collection of future releases at any given point in time so a lengthy pipeline is necessary.
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I get that licenced ip's need long spans of time (AvP) to get through approvals and that even non-licenced stuff takes time with kickstarters often taking 18 months or more to deliver. But three years for a company that does practically everything in house working exclusively on its own IP? It's longer than I thought.
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Oct 6, 2017 19:27
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Yeah one year is fairly normal, three years is fairly absurd.
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no way you can sculpt a sufficient number of purity seals in just one year, come on
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Oct 6, 2017 19:45
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Is Bommerz over da Sulphur River worth picking up? Con vendor here has one.
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Leperflesh posted:Yeah one year is fairly normal, three years is fairly absurd. If it's considering beginning of concept development to end product 2 plus years isn't weird. A lot of models will float about in concept foe a while before being hammered out in testing modelling etc.
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There is a difference between 'this doodle has been in a sketchbook for 3 years' and 'this design has been in the pipeline for 3 years'. GW are in the position of putting out new hard plastic kits every month (is it actually weekly? I don't watch their calendar that closely) though so a longer pipeline than a company who is releasing every few months is understandable.
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Three years might seem long, but the Adeptus Mechanicus approval process is a bureaucratic nightmare.
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Ugleb posted:There is a difference between 'this doodle has been in a sketchbook for 3 years' and 'this design has been in the pipeline for 3 years'. Yes it's usually weekly.
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Bistromatic posted:I hope they go all out to with female marines and making some primarchs women. Just blame it on lovely historians and let the reawakining primarch correct them. That would own bones, especially if everything we know about Russ was true except the gender, so she was just a hard drinking badass.
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https://www.facebook.com/wotblitz/videos/1786639708032311/ Why must GW ruin everything I enjoy? 
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You thought that you could escape, but they'll get you wherever you go.
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Liquid Communism posted:That would own bones, especially if everything we know about Russ was true except the gender, so she was just a hard drinking badass. Warhammer needs more Ripley.
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:all three of the female minis they reference have boob plate yeah they really do. especially greyfax, do GW not know what boob plate is?
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