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byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!
not ed balls

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Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015
Trump will have to do some serious hard work at being a monster to top either Jackson or Buchanan.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007


Basically they wanted to portray him as a frontier simpleton unfit for and disinterested I the intellectual demands of the office, so someone said something like, "he'd be just as happy in a log cabin with a jug of hard cider as in the white house." This may have played as intended with the big city folks, but since the franchise had been expanded there were an awful lot of log cabin dwelling cider drinkers for whom it made them like Harrison more. The Harrison campaign leaned into it and brought cider to rallies which was generally a good way to win friends.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

P-Mack posted:

Basically they wanted to portray him as a frontier simpleton unfit for and disinterested I the intellectual demands of the office, so someone said something like, "he'd be just as happy in a log cabin with a jug of hard cider as in the white house." This may have played as intended with the big city folks, but since the franchise had been expanded there were an awful lot of log cabin dwelling cider drinkers for whom it made them like Harrison more. The Harrison campaign leaned into it and brought cider to rallies which was generally a good way to win friends.

Free cider at rallies? I'd go.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Agnosticnixie posted:

Trump will have to do some serious hard work at being a monster to top either Jackson or Buchanan.

In the immediate aftermath of Trump's election, even Meygan Kelly reacted with incredulous shock at a Trump flunky citing the mass internment of Japanese Citizens in World War 2 as an example of what Trump wants to do to Muslims.

Who knows what weirdness if Bannondorf gets full control

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

punk rebel ecks posted:

Free cider at rallies? I'd go.

before prohibition getting people drunk was the biggest campaign expense

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Trump is planning on selling half the strategic oil reserve. :11tea:

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Nebakenezzer posted:

Trump is planning on selling half the strategic oil reserve. :11tea:

why is he trying to bankrupt a bunch of fracking companies

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

P-Mack posted:

Basically they wanted to portray him as a frontier simpleton unfit for and disinterested I the intellectual demands of the office, so someone said something like, "he'd be just as happy in a log cabin with a jug of hard cider as in the white house." This may have played as intended with the big city folks, but since the franchise had been expanded there were an awful lot of log cabin dwelling cider drinkers for whom it made them like Harrison more. The Harrison campaign leaned into it and brought cider to rallies which was generally a good way to win friends.

"In English coaches, he's no rider, but he can fight and drinks hard cider," was the slogan the Harrison campaign used to turn the "log cabin hick" attack against Van Buren, specifically targeting the supposedly elitist/effete aspects of Van Buren's presidency (who had bought a fancy new carriage for the white house shortly before the campaign season opened).

Badger of Basra posted:

why is he trying to bankrupt a bunch of fracking companies

He's a total idiot. :ssh:

Captain_Maclaine has issued a correction as of 20:52 on May 24, 2017

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Badger of Basra posted:

why is he trying to bankrupt a bunch of fracking companies

I think the saudis said to Trump "Hey we're trying to drive down the price of oil, little help?"

And Trump is all "Sure I'll help!"

And then the Saudis are all "wow, you are change I can believe in."

e: actually Russia approved this move too so they just asked Trump to help

Nebakenezzer has issued a correction as of 02:24 on May 26, 2017

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

So has there ever been a president who sided with foreigners over his own nation because that's how dumb he was?

Has there ever been a president who literally didn't understand the concept of trade, and said that another nation selling things in America was "very bad" and vowed to stop them?

I guess Reagan and Bush re: cocaine to the second one

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

punk rebel ecks posted:

Norway has the same percentage of their workers working in nationalized industries as Venezuela does. It's all about what gets nationalized and how it is designed to function.

I think this also speaks Norway's global geopolitical position as an ally of the West and a first world country, vs. Venezuela which has historically had an ineffectual state incapable of doing anything. Any leader who tries to implement any kind of socialism in the latter context is going to get burned if they don't become a rival clique to the bourgeoisie, hence all the cronyism and corruption. It worked to reduce poverty in the Chavez years, but as others have said, the oil boom and the corruption was bound to cause rapid inflation in the long term.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Helsing posted:

I would love to see what a neoliberal approach to a total war economy would look like

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4552776/bush-shopping-quote

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Nebakenezzer posted:

I think the saudis said to Trump "Hey we're trying to drive down the price of oil, little help?"

And Trump is all "Sure I'll help!"

And then the Saudis are all "wow, you are change I can believe in."

e: actually Russia approved this move too so they just asked Trump to help

america is a dead republic

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Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

I was thinking the same thing, but despite the best efforts of Cheney and Rumsfeld, none of the current wars are total wars.

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