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Korranus posted:It's cheaper than funding a fair education system. Well yeah, but I question if it's cheaper than having a platform that naturally entices people to vote for you.
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Barbara Birke remained alert and conscious nearly up to the end, which came four days after the first signs of rash appeared on her body. For some reason, variola leaves its victims in a state of wakefulness. They see and feel everything that’s happening. In the final twenty-four hours, people with hemorrhagic smallpox will develop a pattern of shallow, almost imperceptible breaths, followed by a deep intake and exhalation, then more shallow breaths. This is known as Cheyne-Stokes breathing, and it can indicate bleeding in the brain. She prayed, and the nuns stayed with her. The Benedictine priest, Father Kunibert, who had offered communion to Peter Los, ended up at Wimbern himself with a mild case of smallpox. He may have given Birke her last rites. As the end approaches, the smallpox victim can remain conscious, in a kind of frozen awareness—“a peculiar state of apprehension and mental alertness that were said to be unlike the manifestations of any other disease,” in the words of the Big Red Book. As the cytokine storm devolves into chaos, the breathing may end with a sigh.
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May 23, 2017 20:50
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Luxury Communism posted:um she has confessed on several occasions to be deeply skeptical of the FDA vetting process for new vaccines which basically see a revolving door between top level pharma executives and the companies they are supposed to regulate *I sigh as I unsheathe my Hatori Hanzo Snopes article* http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/
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May 23, 2017 20:51
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Luxury Communism posted:um she has confessed on several occasions to be deeply skeptical of the FDA vetting process for new vaccines which basically see a revolving door between top level pharma executives and the companies they are supposed to regulate It's less that and more her constant evading of her stance. I'm not aware of any links between autism and vaccinations is the closest she came to being on one side or the other. The green party base is all new age hippies who believe in chiropractic medicine, aroma therapy as a medical procedure, and homeopathy. Those people tend to be anti vaxxers and anti science in general. So by trying to court outside her base she has to be deliberately vague. Anti vaxxers are a huge problem in cali. a bone to pick posted:*I sigh as I unsheathe my Hatori Hanzo Snopes article* Did you read the article? It is proving she never came out and said yeah gently caress vaccines those give autism lol. Then it goes on to illustrate how she constantly evades it and that she thinks the fda and big pharma control vaccinnes when they don't. then it wraps up with this snoops posted:However, her somewhat equivocal statements surrounding that issue allow for a fair bit of leeway and interpretation — many others who proclaim to “support vaccinations” in concept effectively undercut their positions by raising objections to the “vaccination process” or the “vaccination industry.” snergle fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 23, 2017 |
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In confluent-type ordinary smallpox, which Los had, the blisters merge into sheets, and it is typically fatal. Finally, there is hemorrhagic smallpox, in which bleeding occurs in the skin. Hemorrhagic smallpox is virtually one hundred percent fatal. The most extreme type is flat hemorrhagic smallpox, in which the skin does not blister but remains smooth. It darkens until it can look charred, and it can slip off the body in sheets. Doctors in the old days used to call it black pox. Hemorrhagic smallpox seems to occur in about three to twenty-five percent of the fatal cases, depending on how hot or virulent the strain of smallpox is. For some reason black pox is more common in teenagers.The rims of Barbara Birke’s eyelids became wet with blood, while the whites of her eyes turned ruby red and swelled out in rings around the corneas. Dr. William Osler, in a study of black-pox cases at the Montreal General Hospital that he saw in 1875, noted that “the corneas appear sunk in dark red pits, giving to the patient a frightful appearance.”
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Tallgeese posted:Well yeah, but I question if it's cheaper than having a platform that naturally entices people to vote for you.
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May 23, 2017 20:52
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snergle posted:It's less that and more her constant evading of her stance. I'm not aware of any links between autism and vaccinations is the closest she came to being on one side or the other. The green party base is all new age hippies who believe in chiropractic medicine, aroma therapy as a medical procedure, and homeopathy. Those people tend to be anti vaxxers and anti science in general. So by trying to court outside her base she has to be deliberately vague. Anti vaxxers are a huge problem in cali. Jill Stein, in the literal link above you, during the 2016 election posted:Vaccines in general have made a huge contribution to public health.
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May 23, 2017 20:54
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Jill Stein coming out against antivaxxers would be like Hillary Clinton coming out against Hamilton. Too insane to contemplate.
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By dawn on Thursday, January 15th, his body had become a mass of knob-like blisters. They were everywhere, all over, even on his private parts, but they were clustered most thickly on his face and extremities. This is known as the centrifugal rash of smallpox. It looks as if some force at the center of the body is driving the rash out toward the face, hands, and feet. The inside of his mouth and ear canals and sinuses had pustulated, and the lining of the rectum may also have pustulated, as it will do in severe cases. Yet his mind was clear. When he coughed or tried to move, it felt as if his skin were pulling off his body, that it would split or rupture. The blisters were hard and dry, and they didn’t leak. They were like ball bearings embedded in the skin, with a soft, velvety feel on the surface. Each pustule had a dimple in the center. They were pressurized with an opalescent pus. VACCINES BAD, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS OKAY
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people wanted a yes or no answer from her because of party and its past stances with other dumb poo poo and the obvious amount of anti vaxxers in their base and she would only say vague poo poo. That doesn't say anything other then in the past they were good.
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May 23, 2017 20:59
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May 23, 2017 21:00
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The Greens aren't the answer anyway. They're just capitalism with a human face. Well meaning maybe but really they're just "well off liberals the party."
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May 23, 2017 21:06
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Antivaxxers are loving scum, full stop
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/29/jill-stein-on-vaccines-people-have-real-questions/?utm_term=.91023d44725cquote:"As a medical doctor, there was a time where I looked very closely at those issues, and not all those issues were completely resolved," Stein said. "There were concerns among physicians about what the vaccination schedule meant, the toxic substances like mercury which used to be rampant in vaccines. There were real questions that needed to be addressed. I think some of them at least have been addressed. I don’t know if all of them have been addressed." Using anti vax arguments to appeal to anti vax people is just as bad as being anti vax yourself
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May 23, 2017 21:15
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T.S. Smelliot posted:Antivaxxers are loving scum, full stop I'd give you license if you are Amish or some other seclusive cult that doesn't value life preservation but otherwise yeah. Too bad Jill Stein isn't an anti-vaxxer and it was literally some poo poo made up to play on Green Party stereotypes. Lemming posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/29/jill-stein-on-vaccines-people-have-real-questions/?utm_term=.91023d44725c A mention, not a use. And citing this loss of confidence as an indictment of crony capitalism is not necessary unsound. Indeed, this loss of confidence literally is the fault of crony capitalism. Luxury Communism fucked around with this message at 21:19 on May 23, 2017 |
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May 23, 2017 21:16
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*Jill Stein says she has several problems with the FDA but agrees that vaccines have enormous health benefits* "loving anti-vaxxer scumbag, I refuse to listen to her" *Opioid epidemic continues across the US, most expensive drug costs in the world*
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May 23, 2017 21:17
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Hm yes saying "I'm just asking questions! Are we sure mercury in vaccines is safe?!" is definitely not trying to appeal to anti vaxxers.
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May 23, 2017 21:19
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General Dog posted:You're right, old people white people would have felt much more comfortable voting for a self identified Socialist sorta-Jew sorta-atheist. LOL this kind of thing is so ignorant. Have you ever interacted with anyone who didn't watch the daily show and hold a college degree?
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Lemming posted:Hm yes saying "I'm just asking questions! Are we sure mercury in vaccines is safe?!" is definitely not trying to appeal to anti vaxxers. ok lmao that one is a little on-the-nose i'll give you that
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May 23, 2017 21:20
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*Posts extremely reasonable argument about why Jill Stein has problems with the FDA as some sort of "gotcha" moment*
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May 23, 2017 21:20
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She could easily make a general anti- revolving door argument because it certainly isn't an issue just with the FDA and pharma companies but she is focused on that in particular because a large part of the Green's base is anti-vax. Whether or not she personally says the words "vaccines are bad" is kind of irrelevant in that context. COMRADES fucked around with this message at 21:23 on May 23, 2017 |
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COMRADES posted:She could easily make a general anti- revolving door argument because it certainly isn't an issue just with the FDA and pharma companies but she is focused on that in particular because a large part of the Green's base is anti-vax. The "I'm not touching you!!!!" political argument of Jill Stein not being anti vaxx
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a bone to pick posted:*Jill Stein says she has several problems with the FDA but agrees that vaccines have enormous health benefits* It's like the total dang idiots who say "I understand the overwhelming health benefits of vaccines, but I don't trust my doctor's vaccine schedule." Doubting the efficacy of vaccines is identical anti-science bullshit as denying them period.
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Ron Darling posted:The California.... Democratic National Committee? Haha what? Sweden has less GDP per capita than california and seems to do just fine with universal health care.
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May 24, 2017 05:23
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quote:“This is our Tea Party moment,’’ said one leading Democratic strategist. “And it’s not going away.”
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May 24, 2017 05:33
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lowtax is a libertarian, how is that not clear
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May 24, 2017 05:35
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Misread thread title as Erlich Bachman, and now I know what I want from the future of my political institutions
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May 24, 2017 05:44
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Psycho Society posted:Haha what? Sweden has less GDP per capita than california and seems to do just fine with universal health care. It's quite easy to pay for universal health care when you have people wait for weeks or months to see a doctor. Also, raising taxes anywhere in the USA is an uphill battle. I'm not saying that California shouldn't try to impose a single-payer healthcare system, but it's not going to be easy.
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Maybe if california wasnt supporting the rest of the country with the 4th largest gdp in the world the rest of the country would stop making jokes about cali and they could afford single payer healthcare. California was a state after the civil war we can leave just like texas.
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snergle posted:Maybe if california wasnt supporting the rest of the country with the 4th largest gdp in the world the rest of the country would stop making jokes about cali and they could afford single payer healthcare. California was a state after the civil war we can leave just like texas. Also, this.
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wait maddox is head of republican outreach? i mean his whole gimmick is being an insanely aggressive rear end in a top hat so it seems appropriate but whoa
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May 24, 2017 06:29
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May 24, 2017 06:29
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May 24, 2017 07:20
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May 24, 2017 07:41
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A VERY DEEPLY FLAWED MAN THEY CALLED HIM ERIC BAUMAN
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Bogus Adventure posted:It's quite easy to pay for universal health care when you have people wait for weeks or months to see a doctor. I love this argument as if people don't wait weeks or months to see a doctor in the USA. I just called for a visit. Had to wait a month before I could schedule an appointment, then the doctor ordered procedures that had to be approved by insurance first which took a week then they called me to schedule the procedure for a month later.
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Bogus Adventure posted:It's quite easy to pay for universal health care when you have people wait for weeks or months to see a doctor. Also, raising taxes anywhere in the USA is an uphill battle. I feel like we're kind of on the same side here but riddle me this: in what way is the ease of paying for universal healthcare at all related to how long a prospective patient has to see a doctor? OH THEY AREN'T RELATED AT ALL? cool poo poo, cool poo poo P.S. Also, you should have picked a longer time period of waiting to make your point when we have people here in the States who have never seen a doctor at all in like decades (me)
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Arthur C. Korn/Michael J. Beverage 2020
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Bernie only lost because Hillary blocked the release of a 280 megapixel jpeg of him.
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Luxury Communism posted:A mention, not a use. And citing this loss of confidence as an indictment of crony capitalism is not necessary unsound. Indeed, this loss of confidence literally is the fault of crony capitalism. nah in the case of vaccines the loss of confidence is literally the fault of a bunch of alternative medicine quacks in concert with the dumb hollywood celebs they've duped. there's a profit motive, but it's from the people trying to sell vitamin megadose or whatever snake oil is supposed to protect you instead of harmful vaccines. vaccines don't need a revolving door of crony capitalism to get through the FDA, new vaccines for important diseases are a really big deal. the bad stuff that happens with the FDA is much further down the line with the dumb orphan drugs system and questionable approvals for rare diseases. The FDA is one of the better institutions of the Fed, all in all.
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