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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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PIGS BREXIT
Mar 29, 2017

OwlFancier posted:

Might have some issues if you're a bit slow off the mark and the sea levels rise.

Extremely tall wind turbines

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coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

happyhippy posted:

Netherlands is mostly flat, so there must be some strong winds?

So how about invading, killing them all, and converting it all into one massive wind farm for the world.

I'll take my Nobel Peace Prize in used 50 notes please.

this but the UK/denmark



the uk is one of the best places for wind turbines in the world (and one of the only good spots where there's actual demand for the electricity produced)

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jun 30, 2017

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

coffeetable posted:

the uk is one of the best places for wind turbines in the world

God our weather is poo poo

Mugsbaloney
Jul 11, 2012

We prefer your extinction to the loss of our job

How can this be? It's not That bad...

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



We have been over this a few times in this thread. You need nuclear, not because renewables are bad, but because the battery tech and network infrastructure isn't there to use them like baseload yet. Nuclear is required to get us over the hump and off carbon heavy fuel while the R&D and network investment takes place. It is also a reasonably good technology in its own right, and a totally valid thing to include in a low carbon energy mix - reliable, always on, safe, low carbon - what's not to like? The answer is actually uranium mining, but solar panels aren't made of water either.

Guavanaut posted:

You can make them out of saplings and water if you have a well managed system.

Everyone goes for the garbage unmanaged systems though.

Seriously? Please PM about this, genuinely tres interested.

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 30, 2017

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Zalakwe posted:

but solar panels aren't made of water either.
You can make them out of saplings and water if you have a well managed system.

Everyone goes for the garbage unmanaged systems though.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Zalakwe posted:

what's not to like?

no-one wants to loving build them

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Mugsbaloney posted:

How can this be? It's not That bad...

Its not wind, its the Scots moaning all the time.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY
good god, the military-industrial complex has spent most of a century trying to get civilian nuclear off the ground and got nowhere, just give up already and focus on poo poo that's actually palatable

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY
loving nerds

hit button
Mar 18, 2012




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/30/wimbledon-warns-supporters-against-political-chants-slogans/

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
Anyone else hate the gently caress out of tennis at Wimbeldon?
As a kid, two weeks of your summer had poo poo TV as there was nothing but loving tennis on it.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



communism bitch posted:

Put big solar panels in orbit. Massive gigantic wafer thin sail designs, and then send the power back to earth in huge devastating beam of heat and light to be captured by some doohicky and just hope it never gets misaligned.

I see you, too, are a cultured gentleman who played SimCity 2000.

Also, that graph of solar power looks completely normal if you subscribe to Kurzweil's theories of technological advancement.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Zalakwe posted:

Seriously? Please PM about this, genuinely tres interested.
Trees. There was supposed to be a massive thing where Scandinavia would move to managed forests capable of switching masses of coal power facilities to pelletized biomass, effectively making them carbon neutral solar power facilities, with the trees themselves as the energy storage.

What actually happened was that a lot of them went with cheap US biomass which was made by ruining old growth forests in the South.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Jedit posted:

No, it isn't. But people are getting motivated to participate in politics again, as evinced by last month's election, and when people get motivated like that it is always to oppose something they don't want. Every new vote in a second referendum would be for Remain.

If this were actually true then Hillary would have won. It's more likely they came out to vote for something, like a manifesto pledges, a leader that spoke to them or sovreignty.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Kokoro Wish posted:

If this were actually true then Hillary would have won. It's more likely they came out to vote for something, like a manifesto pledges, a leader that spoke to them or sovreignty.

Arguably that doesn't mean Jedit is wrong though; perhaps the new engagement he suggests is due to seeing what happens when you fanny around and let Trump win.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

happyhippy posted:

Anyone else hate the gently caress out of tennis at Wimbeldon?
As a kid, two weeks of your summer had poo poo TV as there was nothing but loving tennis on it.

That's basically all spectator sport when you aren't invested in the people playing

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Trees. There was supposed to be a massive thing where Scandinavia would move to managed forests capable of switching masses of coal power facilities to pelletized biomass, effectively making them carbon neutral solar power facilities, with the trees themselves as the energy storage.

What actually happened was that a lot of them went with cheap US biomass which was made by ruining old growth forests in the South.

Trees are large solar chemical batteries that you can live in.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

Kokoro Wish posted:

If this were actually true then Hillary would have won. It's more likely they came out to vote for something, like a manifesto pledges, a leader that spoke to them or sovreignty.

The difficulty of comparing stuff to the US election is that under pretty much any other system Clinton would have been declared the clear winner

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


Gum posted:

The difficulty of comparing stuff to the US election is that under pretty much any other system Clinton would have been declared the clear winner

drat right.



So, is anyone important going to face any real risk of prison as a result of the Grenfell Tower blaze?

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Gum posted:

The difficulty of comparing stuff to the US election is that under pretty much any other system Clinton would have been declared the clear winner

Didn't Trump win both houses of the legislature too? So I mean even under some kind of a parliamentary democracy...

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Gum posted:

The difficulty of comparing stuff to the US election is that under pretty much any other system Clinton would have been declared the clear winner

This isn't really knowable; Trump's strategy was shaped around how the election actually worked. Assuming instead it was an election with no electoral college it stands to reason that his strategy would have drastically changed.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

CoolCab posted:

Didn't Trump win both houses of the legislature too? So I mean even under some kind of a parliamentary democracy...

Dems got a majority of votes in the senate race too. The US system really sucks

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

Neurolimal posted:

This isn't really knowable; Trump's strategy was shaped around how the election actually worked. Assuming instead it was an election with no electoral college it stands to reason that his strategy would have drastically changed.

What strategy?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Gum posted:

Dems got a majority of votes in the senate race too. The US system really sucks

The House. The problem is the GOP got the House in 2010 and basically got to draw districts such that if there isn't a very powerful wave election against them they functionally cannot lose the lower house. We're talking an average national opinion swing of like 8-10% against them.

Our system is loving awful

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Targeting the states he needed to win with his message and campaign events.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Gum posted:

The difficulty of comparing stuff to the US election is that under pretty much any other system Clinton would have been declared the clear winner

True, true. If I were being more accurate I would have said something along the lines of, although people voted for Macron more as a vote against Marine Le Penn, turnout for that election was vastly depressed as a result. Voting for something is always more appealing that voting against something.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

Night10194 posted:

The House. The problem is the GOP got the House in 2010 and basically got to draw districts such that if there isn't a very powerful wave election against them they functionally cannot lose the lower house. We're talking an average national opinion swing of like 8-10% against them.

Our system is loving awful

Ironically the house race is the one they did get a majority of the vote in (Although it was close)

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

Irony Be My Shield posted:

Targeting the states he needed to win with his message and campaign events.

His message and campaign events were all over the place. He didn't really seem to be targeting anywhere tbh

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Oh and now they're making an 'election integrity commission' to decide which votes are legitimate. That's what I meant when I said your poo poo is less depressing because OUR Tories have put themselves in a position where they get to decide if you can even vote.

The strategy with Trump was to keep him so busy with rallies that he wouldn't tweet and make national news again, because every time he did his polls dropped like a rock.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Gum posted:

His message and campaign events were all over the place. He didn't really seem to be targeting anywhere tbh

He went to a lot of states that were considered democrat strongholds, ones that he ended up winning by hilariously slim margins.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Gum posted:

Dems got a majority of votes in the senate race too. The US system really sucks

Right but that wouldn't matter in, say, the UK's system or any other FPTP system. And since the Senate is the upper house (as I understand) it wouldn't matter even then often because the lower house typically decides the executive in a parliamentary system (like in Canada) I'm pretty sure.

Trump would have won in a tonne of different systems - and way more importantly, he won in yours. He got less votes, which is again, a little weird, but a straight popular vote is in no way a universal system for democracy- often the party which wins gets well less then 50% of the total vote. And your system of voting was put into place basically literally for this reason- less populous states joined the union expressly because the electoral college and senate were expressly designed to ensure they weren't overwhelmed by their richer and more populous neighbors.

It's poo poo, but it's nowhere near as poo poo as voter suppression, which weirdly doesn't come up nearly as often when people are whining about the result they didn't like.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out
Who the gently caress are you calling a septic

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Gum posted:

Who the gently caress are you calling a septic

is that new slang for "american" because if so, i'm on board 110%

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
It's pretty old rhyming slang.

New thread is up right here.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

What's interesting to me is seeing how your press tried really loving hard to kill Corbyn and it didn't work at all.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

CoolCab posted:

is that new slang for "american" because if so, i'm on board 110%

Septic=septic tank=yank. It's gotta date back to WW2 at least

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Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

CoolCab posted:

is that new slang for "american" because if so, i'm on board 110%

It's cockney. Septic tank

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