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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Hey there. Started watching since the quarantine started and just finished season 2. I love it! AHHH!

Admittedly I picked it up because I always heard from other sources that "This is the show where the male lead is secretly a trans girl" Im gonna guess that from here on out, there really isn't anything else that hints at it though.

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Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

BigRed0427 posted:

Hey there. Started watching since the quarantine started and just finished season 2. I love it! AHHH!

Admittedly I picked it up because I always heard from other sources that "This is the show where the male lead is secretly a trans girl" Im gonna guess that from here on out, there really isn't anything else that hints at it though.

Marco's Princess Turdina identity comes up a lot actually but he's not so much a trans girl as a crossdresser. I think him frequently crossdressing without the show ever associating it with being unmasculine is, in itself, a good message for kids, at least.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Pakled posted:

Marco's Princess Turdina identity comes up a lot actually but he's not so much a trans girl as a crossdresser. I think him frequently crossdressing without the show ever associating it with being unmasculine is, in itself, a good message for kids, at least.
True.

But if you ever do wonder why like "trans Marco" becomes a thing, it's because theres so little good rep of trans people in all media that we take what ever scraps are out there and run way past the end zone with it.

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Nov 2, 2010


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Ultra Carp
imo "Marco is trans" is one of those theories that has more going against it than for it, but the show's creators did go out of their way not to specifically disprove it, and in a later episode even tried to sneak a trans flag onto a Princess Turdina doll (Which unfortunately Disney forced them to change). So if that's how someone wants to interpret the character, I'm certainly not going to stop them.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
It's mostly because Princess Turdina isn't just Marco in a dress, she is an entire side of him. He's not just wearing a dress so the princesses will listen to him by the end, he is just as much Turdina as he is Marco, even things like swapping makeup tips with a professional actor who specialises in female characters. Turdina isn't a disguise, she's an alter-ego.

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011
all the princess turdina stuff on its own is plausibly deniable as just being open minded about gender in general, but there's a line in Naysaya where the naysaya says "Marco Diaz covers the mirror when he showers, because Marco is ashamed of his own body!"

which to me as a trans woman seems more specifically targeted than the rest

Wittgen
Oct 13, 2012

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Venuz Patrol posted:

all the princess turdina stuff on its own is plausibly deniable as just being open minded about gender in general, but there's a line in Naysaya where the naysaya says "Marco Diaz covers the mirror when he showers, because Marco is ashamed of his own body!"

which to me as a trans woman seems more specifically targeted than the rest

As someone who was a teenage boy, I have to disagree with thinking that being ashamed of one's body is a specifically trans experience.

I like that Marco being trans is a legit reading, but I think there's plenty of evidence against it. Namely, we see a pretty actualized adult Marco, and he's as masculine as you get.

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Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

And importantly, even ~*ABS*~ Macro would happily wear a dress.

I don't mind the trans reading, but I'm just as happy to go with it being an example of non-toxic masculinity, which is something also very lacking in a lot of media.

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