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GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

But wait, it gets worse! Impact was their first PS2 title, and it shows. The save file loading times are atrociously slow, which is going to be a recurring annoyance if you're fishing for crits to get all the battle masteries. Even if you're playing it 'legit', you still have to deal with the camera. You know how modern isometric SRWs let you rotate everything 90° instantly with the press of a button? In Impact you don't have that. The camera doesn't just rotate/pan very slowly, but the maps are forced isometric and 3d, so you have to futz with the camera if you want to actually see and control the units that are between buildings/mountains/asteroids.

Also the Einst suck, they're not just boring piles of nothing plotwise, but their units have HP regen, barriers and MAPWs. This is in a game where your resources are spread so thin that you'll never have more than a handful of endgame worthy units with you until stage 90, so enjoy slowly grinding them down while they regen and deny you counterattacks during their turns.

Also also something like half the antagonists are just there and completely divorced from the rest of the plot.

It's bad.

Edit: Endorph made a post about Cao Cao on the last page! Go read it! It's better than my ceterum censeo Impact esse delendam gimmick!

GimmickMan fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Sep 18, 2018

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AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

SirSystemError posted:

Yeah. All that is uh, pretty bad to say the least. And Char as the true final boss? Gotta say, that's weak and disappointing. At least the Devil Gundam and Anti-Spiral were non-OG threats worthy enough of being a final boss. Even worse with putting in all the work to unlock a true final boss, expecting some threat behind the threats or a different spin on things. And instead you just get the Axis drop capping off the game.
I played Impact once long ago, but IIRC, what happens is that Char takes all of the revelations from the Einst and stuff from the game and decides to go "gently caress humanity". Gato's defection is more hilarious in that Char has been using his Quattro persona for the bulk of the game, up to and including when Gato joins up. So, once again Anavel Gato reinforces his status as "one of the dumbest motherfuckers produced by the Principality of Zeon" because Char was right next to him for a good portion of the game, and only when Char drops the disguise does Gato figure things out.

TheMajinZenki
Aug 17, 2005

AradoBalanga posted:

I played Impact once long ago, but IIRC, what happens is that Char takes all of the revelations from the Einst and stuff from the game and decides to go "gently caress humanity". Gato's defection is more hilarious in that Char has been using his Quattro persona for the bulk of the game, up to and including when Gato joins up. So, once again Anavel Gato reinforces his status as "one of the dumbest motherfuckers produced by the Principality of Zeon" because Char was right next to him for a good portion of the game, and only when Char drops the disguise does Gato figure things out.

That's not really how it went. This is the conversation for the first time you use Quattro to fight Gato (which is one of the requirements to unlock him):

SRW Impact posted:

ガトー「む!? この動き! いきなりふところに飛び込んでくるとは…!」
クワトロ「…アナベル=ガトー少佐」
ガトー「接触回線…!? 何者だ!」
クワトロ「君の…いや、ジオンの求めたもの、掲げた理想…そのすべてはあのとき終わっているのだ。ジオン=ズム=ダイクンがザビ家に暗殺されたときに…!」
ガトー「!! 貴様…いや、あなたは…大佐!?」
ブライト「大尉! クワトロ大尉! いったいなにをしている!?」
コウ「…接触回線を開いているのか? なぜ…!?」
クワトロ「今一度考えろ。ザビ家はジオンの名を使用しているにすぎん。ハマーン=カーンもだ…!」
ガトー「くっ…! 大佐、私は…それでもジオンの軍人! 地球連邦の愚か者たちに踏みにじられてきた、多くの英霊のために…私は引けん…!」
クワトロ「……」

Quattro: Your ideals... no, the ideals of Zeon you have carried for so long have been dead for a long time... Ever since Zeon Zum Deikun was murdered...!
Gato: !! Y-You... C-Could you be...?! Captain?!
Bright: Lieutenant! Lieutenant Quattro! What are you doing?!
Kou: He opened a communications line! But why...?!
Quattro: Think about it again. The Zabis were using Zeon's name for their on purposes. And Haman Karn is no different...!
Gato: Urgh... Captain, I... I'm still a soldier of Zeon, despite all that! I owe it to all the brave soldiers who have died, trampled under the feet of those fools of the Earth Federation!
Quattro: ...

plus this other part, later on (also a requirement to unlock Gato):

SRW Impact posted:

クワトロ「ガトー少佐…」
ガトー「…大佐!? なぜ私の邪魔を! あなたはジオンを裏切った…我々は敵同士なはず!」
クワトロ「言ったはずだ、少佐。ザビ家は…いや、ザビ家亡き後のハマーンでさえも、ジオンの名を騙っているにすぎん…! ソロモンの悪夢と呼ばれた男が、それに気付かぬとは言わせん」
ガトー「しかし、ハマーン=カーンがスペースノイドの事を考えていたのは事実…!」
クワトロ「結局はザビ家の都合のいいようになるだけだ。重力に魂を縛られた者たちと同じく…!」
ガトー「…しかし、私は連邦には…!」
クワトロ「確かに今の地球連邦ではスペースノイドに、人類に未来はないかもしれん。だが今は地球人同士で争っている場合ではないのがなぜわからん…!」
アムロ「大尉、なにを? ブライト! クワトロ大尉とガトー少佐の会話、拾えるか!?」
ブライト「いや…接触で会話しているようだ。こちらからでは取れん」
アムロ(…シャア…)
ガトー「…大佐も地球連邦を認めていない…ではなぜです、大佐! なぜシャア=アズナブル自身が立ち上がらないのです!?」
クワトロ「今はまだ、その時ではない…!」
ガトー「離れてください、大佐…! 私は…ここまできて己の信念を曲げられん…!」
クワトロ「……」

Quattro: Lt.Com. Gato...
Gato: ...Captain?! Why do you stand in my way? You've betrayed Zeon... You and I are enemies!
Quattro: I told you, Lieutenant Commander. First the Zabis - and afteir their fall, Haman - are using the name of Zeon for their own purposes. I can't believe that you, the man known as the Nightmare of Solomon, would fail to realize this.
Gato: That may be so, but it's a fact that Haman Karn is doing what's best for the Spacenoids!
Quattro: She's just doing what's best for the Zabis. She's no different from those who are bound by the chains of gravity...
Gato: B-But... The Federation must--
Quattro: I admit it, there may be no future for neither the Spacenoids nor mankind within the current Earth Federation. However, this is not the time for Earthlings to be fighting against each other.
Amuro: Lieutenant, what are you doing?! Bright, can you pick up the transmission between Lt. Quattro and Lt.Com Gato?!
Bright: Unfortunately not... It's a direct contact transmission. There's no way to pick it up.
Amuro: (...Char...)
Gato: ...I see now that you do not approve of the Earth Federation either, Captain... But then, tell me why! Why don't you rise up as Char Aznable?!
Quattro: Because it is not the right time!
Gato: Get away from me, Captain...! Right now, I am unable to bend my beliefs!
Quattro: ...

So as you can see, Gato realized Quattro's identity as Char since the very first moment.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

TheMajinZenki posted:

:words:
So as you can see, Gato realized Quattro's identity as Char since the very first moment.
Well, that goes to show how much I remember of Impact. Man, I absolutely....feel fine having a hazy memory of this game because I do not want to replay Impact at all.

Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


Impact kept crashing on my emulator whenever I tried playing it. I think the emulator knew. :v:

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
And, to wrap things up, here are a few subbed save skits for your enjoyment. I didn’t do them all, of course, but I picked a good bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuUs320k634

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goPwK1uMOBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjDeddUD4kY
You only get this skit if you saved Burn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44wG-ud935k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMyv-NRz0o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9zYhhUlEI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm8A3hnxDzo
Historical reference; Qin Shi Huang sought immortality and figured ingesting mercury pills and sprinkling it on his food would do the trick. It didn’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9ZY42_t-c
Calling Guan Yu a liar is a reference to his VA, who voices Ime/Aim in Z2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98GwdF-K9xM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6-lznH1WRk
You only get this skit if Lu Bu and Diaochan were saved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRYPwI5eXo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WzBX0FrNx4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYHq4So2Cbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff3K5VkYJhA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQaaYo47Fwg
This final line gets added when you’re in NG+ - Master Therion knows when you’re piling up those secret flags.

And I just couldn’t find this skit or get it to play, but it’s there. To see this one you must’ve saved Misao:

: Good work today! Um… I’ve something I’d like to tell you, actually.
: See, Soushi told me that it’s thanks to you, the Player, that I’m here today…
: So, thanks a lot for that! I look forward to seeing you again!

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

I don't think I've ever felt as identified as I feel with Burn right now. Also, Misao's was hilarious. And I was hoping Sakomizu would say the female players could also be the next Prince of Hojo but I guess that's not the kind of attitude to expect from him, huh?

Beyond that, well...you heard Kaido and Magami. Get working. Just kidding, SUPER ROBOT FINIIIIIIIIISH! It's a good finish.

Sordas Volantyr
Jan 11, 2015

Now, everybody, walk like a Jekhar.

(God, these running animations are terrible.)
Say, I just thought of something! This is a 3DS game, yeah? Does it actually have 3D on the actual hardware, or is this one of those sad 3DS games that didn't even try to do that?

SirSystemError
Jan 3, 2018

Cool to see that the secret acknowledgement stuff even carries over into the save skits. Definitely convinced that UX has the strongest secrets of any SRW game now until convinced otherwise.

Sordas Volantyr posted:

Say, I just thought of something! This is a 3DS game, yeah? Does it actually have 3D on the actual hardware, or is this one of those sad 3DS games that didn't even try to do that?

It does! It's actually pretty good too! Though it does look silly in a few remote places, namely Aesap and Sakomizu's combo attack where the target is shown shaking in front of the ground.

Something while we're still here and before I forget again: there's an alternate version of the title theme/really big goddamn heroes theme from the game's second trailer. Haven't been able to find a raw version of it anywhere though, assuming it exists at all. Shame too, since it's pretty nice.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

edit: misclick! nothing to see here!

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
You know, I know the main game is done, but as a quick question was the DLC for this game ever anything more than challenge maps?

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Onmi posted:

You know, I know the main game is done, but as a quick question was the DLC for this game ever anything more than challenge maps?

I looked it up and, nope, it's just challenge maps with no dialogue. The only semblance of plot that you get is what's written in the DLC file proper - not in the mission.
Mind you, there IS some unique dialogue: there's a map that has Cao Cao, Sun Quan and Shangxiang team up against Liu Bei's crew and they have some special battle quotes.

Regardless, I couldn't run those files on Citra, so...

Sordas Volantyr
Jan 11, 2015

Now, everybody, walk like a Jekhar.

(God, these running animations are terrible.)
Nah, stuff like Seabook helping smash the fash because he's really jonesing for pizza won't be a part of the DLC for a good long while.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

Sordas Volantyr posted:

Nah, stuff like Seabook helping smash the fash because he's really jonesing for pizza won't be a part of the DLC for a good long while.

Cross Ange is such a good series for SRW because the villains are just so punchable.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

The gameplay of V and X's DLC might not be the greatest but yeah they pull out some nice goofy little stories out of them.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
I was working on something (don't worry about it) and a certain character made me come to a realization: I promised I'd translate the Koyasu skit during the Z1 LP and completely forgot about it.
So, here it is! Better late than never!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwJ0adZ5YtU

And considering this thread hasn't been archived yet and I still have some 3 weeks of free time, I figure I'll post not only that but skits from other games. I'll try to post one every day or two.

Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jan 22, 2019

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

There's no such thing as too much Koyasu and I can say that that was a very nice amount of Koyasu.

GEKKOCHOU DE ARU.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smZUZt1hwY

Well? Which one is the best?

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Simon is the best because he's the only one that's actually helpful in gameplay. Ranka is an NPC and Michael and Nena are enemies (and all of those are poo poo characters regardless, Simon is the only likable one).

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe
Ranka is likable early on when she's hustling and trying to get her big break, then Grace/the writers start to jerk her around a lot and she becomes more of a plot device than a character. Also she's connected to Brera and I hate that dull rear end in a top hat.

Michael and Nena are little more than sociopaths given big guns and set loose.

So yeah, Simon's the best but he's a main character so it feels kinda stacked in his favor.

thetruegentleman
Feb 5, 2011

You call that potato a Trump avatar?

THIS is a Trump Avatar!
Michael and Nena are Meisters, but Setsuna does not grant them the title of Gundam.

If you told me to describe Ranka without using events or a physical description, I probably couldn't do it.

Simon went through a coming-of-age story where he not only came of age, but didn't end up either perfect or broken in the process.

Soooo...yeah.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
I'm going to go with Ranka, the only one who's going to be able to support her big brother in his old age.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLib7jxMqk

No, I still won't touch Impact. Not even Rom can convince me.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

But Brunom, if you play Impact, no one can ask when or what SRW you will play next for a very, very long while.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayn40Ak5WJM

And here's the follow-up.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

I admit, she makes for a pretty adorable alternative to her brother.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

I actually got that Z1 skit the one time I pressed "yes" after saving by mistake. The nice thing about the joke is that you can get the gist of it without knowing japanese!

I would do my traditional ranting about Impact that I do every time it comes up but I already am going :argh: about it at the top of the page so I'll spare you all this time.

Sordas Volantyr
Jan 11, 2015

Now, everybody, walk like a Jekhar.

(God, these running animations are terrible.)
If you were forced to pick between a comprehensive Alpha playthrough (i.e. showing all of the eleventy bajillion tiny dialogue changes, and all of the personalities, on top of the usual play every stage and show every secret stuff), or just your standard LP method for Impact, which one would you rather go for?

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Sordas Volantyr posted:

If you were forced to pick between a comprehensive Alpha playthrough (i.e. showing all of the eleventy bajillion tiny dialogue changes, and all of the personalities, on top of the usual play every stage and show every secret stuff), or just your standard LP method for Impact, which one would you rather go for?

If you put a gun to my head and told me to choose, I'd always go with Alpha because it has a lot of fun moments and, overall, I prefer its series list.

No gun, I'd still go Alpha, but I absolutely wouldn't go over all the different personalities - probably Kusuha/Bullet for the RKO route and Leona/Tasuku for the Huckie. As far as secrets go, seeing how it's impossible to get everything, I'd just go over the stuff I could get on either characters.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe
Just for giggles I went and looked at the secrets list for Alpha since I'd never seen it before.

What the actual gently caress :catstare:

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you

Brunom1 posted:

I was working on something (don't worry about it) and a certain character made me come to a realization: I promised I'd translate the Koyasu skit during the Z1 LP and completely forgot about it.
So, here it is! Better late than never!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwJ0adZ5YtU

And considering this thread hasn't been archived yet and I still have some 3 weeks of free time, I figure I'll post not only that but skits from other games. I'll try to post one every day or two.

This is the minimum amount of Koyasu, bless you.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWhONydPMY

Nope, still not doing BX. But I'll take skits from it no prob.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

I have understood the importance and courage of rest.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

Blaze Dragon posted:

I have understood the importance and courage of rest pizza.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV38r4zcd6E

I reckon the best spirit depends on the enemy... but then come the FMP bosses, with their stupid Lambda Drivers, insisting that you both connect and pack a punch.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

Brunom1 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV38r4zcd6E

I reckon the best spirit depends on the enemy... but then come the FMP bosses, with their stupid Lambda Drivers, insisting that you both connect and pack a punch.

Yeah, replaying J has made me remember how much I loving hate Gauron.

And now that I'm done with J I'm giving W the old college try again, so I've got him and Gates to look forward to :shepicide:

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General Revil
Sep 30, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Wow. That was one hell of a ride. Thanks for LPing this Brunom. There certainly are a few things here and there that could have been done better, but this really is an example of how to masterfully craft a crossover story. Even the persisting secret mechanic makes sense within the bounds of the story.

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