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maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004
serious ufo discussion itt

https://twitter.com/motherboard/status/945821532290392064


https://nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html

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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

this is no place of honor aliens, leave our accursed homeworld.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


the new x files season is getting good reviews, im glad

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004
🛸🛸🛸🛸🛸

Ufo emoji didn’t work in title 😡

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


maskenfreiheit posted:

🛸🛸🛸🛸🛸

Ufo emoji didn’t work in title 😡

special chars dont work in titles you freaking noob

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

special chars dont work in titles you freaking noob



:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :regd05::rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
The best concert I ever went to was Weezer/Blink-182

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Trumps Baby Hands posted:

The best concert I ever went to was Weezer/Blink-182

Jesus

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

It's a weather balloon.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Your regdate makes it even more shameful

Also;


Trumps Baby Hands posted:

The best concert I ever went to was Weezer/Blink-182



Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Dreddout posted:

Your regdate makes it even more shameful

In my day we used smilies not emojis

Uphill

Both ways

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

In my day you didn't have to pay to :justpost:

loving millenials

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Wheeee posted:

In my day you didn't have to pay to :justpost:

loving millenials

did you just assume my age>?!

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

maskenfreiheit posted:

did you just assume my age>?!

nobody likes you when you’re 23-34

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Trumps Baby Hands posted:

nobody likes you when you’re 23-34

the idea of an 11 year old on these forums would explain a lot about some of the new posters

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:

maskenfreiheit posted:

the idea of an 11 year old on these forums would explain a lot about some of the new posters

I remember some preteen goonlet posting cosplay pics of himself in a TVIV thread a while back.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

quote:



For Posadas, it is not the case that we must assume aliens have only made it to space through socialism. If the UFO phenomena are of interest to socialism, this is because they testify to the possible overcoming of non-artificial/artificial conditions, those same conditions from which Posadas suspects capitalism derives its power. Whether this is the case, Posadas invites us to think: could a post-scarcity energy economy properly be said to be capitalist? If the capitalist has to be concerned about UFOs, it’s because the UFOs might be proof of a post-capitalist future, a higher order of social organization excessive to capitalism insofar as capitalism relies on non-artificial/artificial scarcity. Posadas:

[C]apitalism tries […] to spread the impression that this is fantasy, so people will not think that there are superior forms of relations and that capitalism is incapable of reaching this level. [28]

UFOs demonstrate the possibility of progress, of power, beyond the profit-motive. Posadas suggests that capitalism chains us to the profit-motive to the exclusion of the power-motive. “Our audacity is thus very limited,” Posadas writes, “because it stops as soon as this interest [in profit] is satisfied” [29]. But Posadas, you will object, interest in profit can never be satisfied, it will motivate us into the stars. Posadas is not so naive as to think the impetus that sends humans to space will be pure, profit-free motivation. He does, however, remark on the strangeness of motivation that seeks power beyond accumulation of wealth: “If the human being goes further than this, he has the feeling of having gone too far.” [30] Posadas is concerned with the potential for unprofitable acquisition of power – species of power which we do not yet know how to capitalize on, or species of power which, once acquired, may supply us with motives beyond that of profit. What sort of power is this? Power excessive even to military power. [31] It is the power of thought itself:

Why does the bourgeois want twenty cars, a hundred factories, the rank of general – why? What does that give him? Power over others? And what then? … It does not give him any capacity to raise and develop his intelligence. On the contrary, it limits it. [32]

For Posadas, the acceleration of thought itself is constrained by capitalism, or any capitalism that relies too heavily on scarcity conditions to pursue post-scarcity energy economy. Thought itself has to be set free from the constraint of the profit-motive:

The speed of thought depends on the dominant material means. Thought is still very limited today. Tomorrow it will be infinitely more powerful, and quicker, too. [33]

The liberation of thought entails the abolition of the university system, which is predicated on the scarcity of access to education propped up by capitalist interest in class stratification:

Universities exist insofar as a division, a separation is made. They serve the exploitation of society for the sake of capitalist profits. That is what universities serve for. Tomorrow, we will have no need for them. Progress will be common amongst everyone: audacity facing up to nature. [34]

Furthermore, Posadas holds out hope for the abolition of the couple as the reproductive unit of the human species, envisioning amoeba-like self-reproduction along the lines of his goal of indefinite metamorphosis. [35]

Posadas is audacious, never backing down from the audacity of his infinite project. He even suggests the supersession of Marxism itself:

Means of interpretation superior to Marxism will arise – not because Marxism is incorrect – but because humanity will reach some better understanding. The dialectic will be part of some superior tool. [36]

The descriptive, explanatory, and predictive utility of Marxist discourse and method is tied inseparably to a set of conditions – scarcity conditions that, if Marxism becomes successful in achieving post-scarcity, should bring about the irrelevance of Marxism itself. Marxism works for its own destruction, for the advent of a social organization not describable, explicable, or predictable according to Marxist theoretical tools. “Marxist knowledge is unlimited” [37], he writes, and the project of socialism is un-limiting.

Socialism is the aspiration for pure activity, the un-limiting of energy from matter and thought from capitalist constraints:

In socialist society, society’s capacity will be unlimited. The notion of life, existence, society, will be measured by the objective interests of life and progress. Existence and progress will be identified with one another. Notions of conservatism, parasitism, passivity, will no longer exist. Progress will be existence itself […] [38]

Socialism is the liberation of thought from its chains:

Socialism, on the contrary, has no fear in being compared with or integrated into higher forms of progress. On the contrary, it seeks out this progress. ‘We have nothing to lose but our chains’. This phrase of Marx’s can be applied to everything. [39]

Socialism seeks progress in the direction of the liberation of energy from matter, the liberation of thought from capitalism. Do Posadas’ aliens need to be socialist in order for them to be useful for the projective socialist project? No, because socialism has no fear in being integrated into higher forms of progress. How could capitalism, conservative in its commitments to scarcity, be considered a higher form of progress?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
the aliens are fucken real though

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Yea they are

They haven't visited us here tho

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

super sweet best pal posted:

It's a weather balloon.

yes officer whatever you say

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

Wheeee posted:

Yea they are

They haven't visited us here tho

how do you know

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
lotta cops and MiBs ITT

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

maskenfreiheit posted:

In my day we used smilies not emojis

Uphill

Both ways

👴🔫😎

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Dr. Killjoy posted:

I remember some preteen goonlet posting cosplay pics of himself in a TVIV thread a while back.

i thought it was a rule you need to be 18?

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Dreddout posted:

👴🔫😎

luckily your millenial hysteria has turned that emoji into a water gun

:black101: 👶

hallebarrysoetoro
Jun 14, 2003
watch the aliens be here for szechuan sauce because they're all a bunch of goony goonlords

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
"We've heard the greatest game in the universe is here. Can you help us find the Zybourne Clock?"

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The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005


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