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Penisaurus Sex posted:None of these complaints are intrinsic or essential to cities. Yeah the incentives on housing construction are hosed in this country. Reposting this article: https://pedestrianobservations.com/2017/05/10/cities-should-not-encourage-home-ownership/ Cities should not encourage home ownership posted:Home ownership and NIMBYism
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I was skimming someone's master thesis on the housing situation in Houston the other day. It's 20 years old now but I suspect it's conclusions still hold up fairly well, can dig up the link tomorrow if anyone's interested. Houston is weird because it has no zoning laws, and as a result in much of the cities there's nothing stopping a strip club or high rise condos from popping up next to stand alone suburban housing. The result however has been that Houston has actually grown denser than you'd expect compared to cities like Dallas, because in places like Dallas NIMBYs have more tools to stop development pushing new homes to the edge of the metro. At the same time, housing costs in central Houston remained affordable compared to cities like Tampa with strict zoning, though unfortunately this is because they are next to bars and strip clubs and poo poo, that is their environment is worse. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Weirdest-images-from-Houston-s-lack-of-zoning-laws-9171688.php#photo-10780179  The Memorial Crematorium and Mortuary sits next to a residential area.
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Squalid posted:I was skimming someone's master thesis on the housing situation in Houston the other day. It's 20 years old now but I suspect it's conclusions still hold up fairly well, can dig up the link tomorrow if anyone's interested. Houston BBQ
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Mar 27, 2018 05:53
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probably smells about as good as any place else in the city
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Zoning laws are usually used just to make poor neighborhoods shittier anyway. Somehow when the developers decide its a good spot for a grocery store, the zoning just falls into place
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Mar 27, 2018 13:35
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Penisaurus Sex posted:None of these complaints are intrinsic or essential to cities. i straight up cant even figure out why the rent is too drat high outside of cities , other than every landlord realizing they should charge as much as they possibly can
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Larry Parrish posted:Zoning laws are usually used just to make poor neighborhoods shittier anyway. Somehow when the developers decide its a good spot for a grocery store, the zoning just falls into place There's definitely a middle ground between "no zoning laws let's just turn the whole city into a paved waterslide" and super stringent zoning laws for upper middle class assholes who need an avenue to scream at their city council people every time someone wants to put up a hot dog cart within a mile of their mcmansion. Most cities have a zoning variance or amendment process which often reflects how friendly the developer is with the city council. They usually work like: Say you have 10 council members and someone wants to build a grocery store in district 1. The councilman for district 1 will vote against it to show all his constituents he's tough and looking out for their interest while the 9 others will vote for it because it's not in their neighborhood, maybe with 1 or 2 hold outs.
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Squalid posted:I was skimming someone's master thesis on the housing situation in Houston the other day. It's 20 years old now but I suspect it's conclusions still hold up fairly well, can dig up the link tomorrow if anyone's interested. another downside to this approach shows up when a major hurricane blows in and whoopsie, turns out all those cheap houses were built in a floodplain! nimbyism sucks, but just letting real estate developers do whatever the gently caress they want isn't ideal either
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Squalid posted:I was skimming someone's master thesis on the housing situation in Houston the other day. It's 20 years old now but I suspect it's conclusions still hold up fairly well, can dig up the link tomorrow if anyone's interested. Houston is a special case. Not only does it have a set of land use controls that mimic traditional zoning ordinances (every property usually has numerous restrictive covenants that the City can actually 'enforce' without being party to - like denying permits that violate the terms and conditions of relevant covenants), but it even has a longstanding history of direct intervention in land use affairs (subdivision and development controls, regulating 'off-street' parking requirements, etc). also urban planners assemble in this thread thanks
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Hubbert posted:
Got a B.S. in Urban Planning and worked one internship with a city and lol gently caress no went back to grad school. Very interested in Urban Planning but the gently caress if I'd ever want to be doing it as a profession.
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GEMorris posted:Got a B.S. in Urban Planning and worked one internship with a city and lol gently caress no went back to grad school. as stitchensis once said urban planning is where socialists go to die
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In West Virginia where i live basically there's a poo poo ton of unused loft space in Charleston but every proposal to restore it comes with 4-digit rents that will never fly in a place like West Virginia.
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Teachers can’t afford Miami rents. The county has a plan: Let them live at school. miami apartment market is poo poo because all the residential buildings being built are luxury condos to the point that there’s now a bunch of them with low occupancy because there’s only so many rich pricks that can buy them.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Teachers can’t afford Miami rents. The county has a plan: Let them live at school. lol this, too, i used to work down there and i don't know how they find so many people to buy the multi-million dollar condos they're building they probably don't half the reason i moved out of florida is because the rents were such poo poo down there
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Hubbert posted:Houston is a special case. Yeah but as I understand it, in many parts of Houston deed restrictions aren’t present or aren’t enforced, especially poorer neighborhoods. If you go out to the more wealthy outlying areas they look much more like traditional zoned neighborhoods. [quote="“Main Paineframe”" post="“482555891”"] another downside to this approach shows up when a major hurricane blows in and whoopsie, turns out all those cheap houses were built in a floodplain! nimbyism sucks, but just letting real estate developers do whatever the gently caress they want isn’t ideal either [/quote] Zoning would not have helped in this case as many of the flooded areas were actually located in places that would’ve been considered safe from normal floods. No zoning is not good. I would not want to live somewhere where a crematoria is dumping bone ash and human hair into the atmosphere. It’s just that the absence of zoning has counteracted some of the terrible impacts of modern American zoning on housing affordability that has rendered many parts of California almost unlivable for working people. The actual solution is taking zoning decision making power away from people whose only incentive is to make local housing costs increase. For example by consolidating it away from local neighborhoods into a metro wide or regional body.
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Panzeh posted:half the reason i moved out of florida is because the rents were such poo poo down there I was paying more in rent in St. Petersburg, FL than I was in Los Angeles. poo poo is insane.
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Main Paineframe posted:another downside to this approach shows up when a major hurricane blows in and whoopsie, turns out all those cheap houses were built in a floodplain! my  houston moment was when i looked at the flooding maps and saw that there were houses that were flooded because they had been built inside the flood control reservoir
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yeah, the problem with us/canada zoning is how it's done more than that it exists. i don't know if it necessarily has to be moved up to 2nd/3rd tier goverements, as a lot of 4th-tier in the us already cover areas similar to 3rd-tier elsewhere, but as a layman who's lived with the results i'd like to see states or the federal goverment responsible curating a short list of question-of-fact zones that the local board then places (with even the lightest allowing small shops and multiunit lowrises, and inversely residential construction only barred in heavy industrial zones, natch) e: as an example, and i hate to be that weeb but it's the counterexample i happen to know, here's how japanese zoning works:  each zone type also carries national standards for maximum roof angle as viewed from road, maximum roof angle as viewed from adjoining lot, maximum height on lot border, and maximum lot utilization, which can be raised or waived but not lowered by the local government; local government does control things like setbacks and greenspace mandates in terms of use of non-built lot area Mandoric has issued a correction as of 17:45 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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Mandoric posted:yeah, the problem with us/canada zoning is how it's done more than that it exists. i don't know if it necessarily has to be moved up to 2nd/3rd tier goverements, as a lot of 4th-tier in the us already cover areas similar to 3rd-tier elsewhere, but as a layman who's lived with the results i'd like to see states or the federal goverment responsible curating a short list of question-of-fact zones that the local board then places (with even the lightest allowing small shops and multiunit lowrises, and inversely residential construction only barred in heavy industrial zones, natch) do you have a source of where that comes from because it's kinda hard to read and I'd like to be able to zoom in
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PDF is at http://www.mlit.go.jp/common/000234477.pdf , also touches on various other factors (the "parent" layer of build and don't build areas set by the state analogue or independent municipality, the types of variances, etc) it's fair to note that this system isn't immune to nimbyism completely - see the specific callout of brothels. but it's structured in such a way where mixed-use is almost unavoidable and automotive sprawl is a product of boom-bust phases digesting overambitious big box stores rather than a given, also in a way where variances appear to be specifically tied to other public goals (three separate ways to, say, apply to build a highrise if you build a sufficient park next to it - this seems to be a hokkaido thing, but i'd be cargo culting if i suggested that it was due to heating efficiencies) Mandoric has issued a correction as of 02:39 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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get in the zone the fuckin zone
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Cross post from California DnD thread: the state government estimates that for the last ten years California has had an annual shortfall in new housing construction of 50%, or 90,000 units. Just to keep pace with population growth the state needs to double construction. To make up for past shortfalls the state needs to increase those numbers even more. The state has lost over 800,000 residents over the last two decades, primarily those below below the median national income. The entire state is being gentrified.
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Yeah. Like I said even poor lumber towns like mine that are more than an hour from Sacramento (which isnt even a big tech company city) are getting San Francisco tier rent prices
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Larry Parrish posted:Yeah. Like I said even poor lumber towns like mine that are more than an hour from Sacramento (which isnt even a big tech company city) are getting San Francisco tier rent prices Ione?
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Martin Random posted:Ione? Nah, Georgetown. But literally everywhere that isn't just a few mobile homes and a post office box is like this now.
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Larry Parrish posted:Nah, Georgetown. But literally everywhere that isn't just a few mobile homes and a post office box is like this now. I'm in Sacramento, Davis, and Woodland. Been following your posts for a while. Nice to have you in my neighborhood. Did to ever check out the solar community housing association or village homes while you were in Davis? For dystopian humor, also check out the development known as "West village."
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Mandoric posted:PDF is at http://www.mlit.go.jp/common/000234477.pdf , also touches on various other factors (the "parent" layer of build and don't build areas set by the state analogue or independent municipality, the types of variances, etc) 
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Martin Random posted:I'm in Sacramento, Davis, and Woodland. Been following your posts for a while. Nice to have you in my neighborhood. I avoid Davis at all costs
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Larry Parrish posted:I avoid Davis at all costs Good man. It's a loving pit of vipers.
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WampaLord posted:I was paying more in rent in St. Petersburg, FL than I was in Los Angeles. I was looking at places to rent in St Pete last month and I no poo poo saw a 1970's RV for rent that was parked in someone's back yard for $800 a month. Pinellas county as a whole seems pretty hosed up right now.
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WampaLord posted:I was paying more in rent in St. Petersburg, FL than I was in Los Angeles. Huh I find this hard to believe. Where were you living in St. Pete? I rent a house in a nice area close to downtown and it's very reasonable. I also lived in San Diego and rent was waaaay more there.
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More like, I am too drat high from partying to pay the rent lmao
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