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Put simply, do you believe it would be better on the whole for the United States to remain intact, or for it to dissolve into several smaller nation-states? The fragmentation of American military and economic power would probably be a boon to people overseas who suffer from US military adventures and economic exploitation. However, this would probably result in a lot of vulnerable people in the US becoming even more vulnerable. If you had a magic button that could force the United States to split (and not reunify for decades at a minimum)... would you push it? What other side-effects have I glossed over? Where would the world go in the aftermath of such a decision?
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Apr 4, 2018 18:47
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the real divide in the united states is urban/rural so it would get real messy real quick
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Apr 4, 2018 18:49
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You might as well post a thread saying "Would it be good or bad for the USA to be nuked?" because this is almost the same question.Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The fragmentation of American military and economic power would probably be a boon to people overseas who suffer from US military adventures and economic exploitation. Unless you're a smaller country whose only defense from being annexed by Russia/China is a US Security guarantee.
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Apr 4, 2018 19:15
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Where would the world go in the aftermath of such a decision? Into the waiting arms of China or Russia. boner confessor posted:the real divide in the united states is urban/rural so it would get real messy real quick First response gets it.
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Apr 4, 2018 23:39
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The fragmentation of American military and economic power would probably be a boon to people overseas who suffer from US military adventures and economic exploitation. Why would 5 nations that have nuclear weapons and can kick the poo poo out of them be better than one? Like in what in insane alternate reality is that better for anyone against military intervention for the US to break up? Guess what, in such a situation those nations probably pull back from South Korea and Japan and Germany, and that frees up tons of money and hundreds of thousands of troops to go do whatever dumbshit ideological crusade the no doubt conversative hawks in at least 2 or 3 of those nations would be interested in. Or do you think that people would magically stop being kill crazy with the break up of the US?
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Apr 4, 2018 23:43
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We tried this once and it didn't go well.Mulva posted:Or do you think that people would magically stop being kill crazy with the break up of the US?
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Apr 4, 2018 23:51
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It would be worse.
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Apr 5, 2018 00:03
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Short version: much worse. Longer version: Better or worse for whom, exactly? Internationally speaking, if you're a Russian oligarch looking to further add to your money pile, or a Chinese government official eager to gobble up every square meter of the South China sea, I'm sure it'd be great. If you're a citizen of Latvia or the Philippines, bend over and grab your ankles. I also see this magic button scenario ending badly for just about everyone in the US aside from the top 1%, who of course have so much money not much can phase them. The utter bedlam unleashed on food distribution, supply chains, etc. would make life miserable for most people, at least at first. It would probably end with a now-nuclear Canada annexing the entire west coast, most of the east, and a good chunk of the midwest, leaving the Neo-Confederacy or whatever to rot.
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Apr 5, 2018 00:38
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boner confessor posted:the real divide in the united states is urban/rural so it would get real messy real quick what about the suburbs
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Apr 5, 2018 07:26
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Zas posted:what about the suburbs urban
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Apr 5, 2018 07:38
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they have different politics though
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Apr 5, 2018 07:39
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No. We need to create more districts however. Many of the state's aren't represented well.
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Apr 5, 2018 07:44
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Zas posted:what about the suburbs suburbs are places for people who want the economic convenience and vitality of the city without having to live in close proximity with people with a different skin color
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Apr 5, 2018 18:02
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Many of the groups in the US that do want a split want it so that they can do horrible poo poo to fellow Americans that are different than them. Also power vacuums are almost never good.
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Apr 5, 2018 18:22
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How do you keep the successor states from instantly starting a new Cold War or just straight up duking it out? Hell, how do you divvy up the nukes?
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Apr 5, 2018 18:38
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Are we dividing now or historically? Either one is going to be real messy but historically would be worse as you could end up with the multiple Americas on different sides in WW1/WW2.
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Apr 5, 2018 19:15
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Balkanization is great, actually
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Apr 5, 2018 19:19
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Just split America along age lines. Everyone currently 50+ gets one country, everyone else another. It's really the obvious setup to achieve the conditions set out in the OP, if the country is only reunited when the last person in the 50+ country dies. Hard to argue against morally too.
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Apr 5, 2018 19:20
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boner confessor posted:the real divide in the united states is urban/rural so it would get real messy real quick the real divide is also by race, see southern states where being black means you are a democrat and a white a republican a divide there will almost guarantee conflicts which evolves into ethnic cleansing the best analogue for a divided US today would be the Spanish Civil War
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Apr 5, 2018 19:25
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Zas posted:what about the suburbs 55%-45% GOP-Dem split on avg but exact numbers depends on which state you are in
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Apr 5, 2018 19:25
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Typo posted:the real divide is also by race, see southern states where being black means you are a democrat and a white a republican haha non-southerner spotted if you've never met a black republican 
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