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"Experimental" means the treatment hasn't been proven to do anything for that indication, and probably won't. There's no shortage of shady clinics selling unproven treatments that no sane insurer or healthcare system will pay for, but they'll help you start a gofundme so they can con all your freinds and family too.
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It would be nice if the government could just start a drat nuclear war so I don’t have to pay bills anymore. Hell, nuclear wasteland is pretty much the good timeline now. What do we have to look forward to here in the USA? A wealthy nation where 99% of the population lives in squalor and works long hours for jack poo poo then go bankrupt from an injury. Nuclear death is clearly the better option, and it will solve global warming too, so there is no downside.
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Jun 12, 2018 19:35
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The Skeleton King posted:It would be nice if the government could just start a drat nuclear war so I don’t have to pay bills anymore. Hell, nuclear wasteland is pretty much the good timeline now. That's pretty gay, bro.
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Jun 12, 2018 19:56
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Serious question: why aren't there constant mass shootings at insurance headquarters and hospitals by desperate and hosed people with nothing to lose.
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Jun 12, 2018 20:38
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norton I posted:"Experimental" means the treatment hasn't been proven to do anything for that indication, and probably won't. experimental can also mean it’s finished the clinical trials but is still waiting for FDA approval, which often takes years. By that point there’s been hundreds of people on the drug under close supervision, and if it got that far then the drug is fine.
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Jun 12, 2018 20:41
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Methanar posted:Serious question: why aren't there constant mass shootings at insurance headquarters and hospitals by desperate and hosed people with nothing to lose. We talked about this upthread, but basically security practices are better at my corporate headquarters than John Quincy Adams Elementary.
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Jun 12, 2018 20:44
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Burt Sexual posted:We talked about this upthread, but basically security practices are better at my corporate headquarters than John Quincy Adams Elementary. also most shooters are just unhinged psychopaths more concerned with personal vendetta, white nationalism or their inability to get laid james hodginskin was an anomaly shooting assholes is dumb though there will always be more to take their place you need to change society itself to fix problems
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Sorry to hear OP. That really sucks. My wife got diagnosed with MS last year and her "disease modifying treatment," i.e. the drug that may slow down the progression of the disease is $60,000 annually and my insurance doesn't normally cover it. We're fighting to get it covered and who knows how that's going to turn out. That doesn't even count the other meds to treat the various symptoms of MS. Not fun, not fun at all. My brother and I were joking how it would be if buying a car were like buying healthcare:  I think I might be needing a new car. Please sign these forms accepting whatever new car we think is vehicularly necessary. Also sign our privacy disclosure form, promise to pay form, waiving any rights you may have form. uh, okay. [signs forms] Thanks. We think you need a Lincoln Navigator. It will be $680,000. That much??? Is there anything else? Also, why so expensive? I could buy two Ferraris for that price in Italy. Besides, I don't need anything that big. Lincoln Navigator. You agreed to pay. It's a fine car. Can I at least get an itemized bill? Sure, here you go. It says on here that "new car smell" is $15,000. That's ridiculous. It has to be wrong. Let me see that. Oh, you're right. That was a mistake. It should be $17,000. [incoherent screaming]
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im cute posted:threaten to expose jeb Lund’s history of helldumping and saying the fag word unless he cuts you in on that sweet sweet [squints at a cue card for 5 minutes] “formerly news blogging, currently tweeting 16 hours a day and hosting a podcast” money. Boniface is still trying to deal with being #MeToo'd
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Jun 12, 2018 22:45
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I'm a bit perplexed by why your mum is being charged for an experimental treatment, even though the amount is much lower than what conventional chemotherapy costs. When it comes to experimental stuff, the research institution often picks up the cost - the downside for patients being that they must meet strict criteria and that their participation often requires a substantial time commitment. Given the rarity of your mum's cancer, her care should be handled by whichever NCI-designated cancer centre specialises in leukemia. Apart from conducting their own research, they're aware of the research being done by other throughout both the US and the world. https://www.cancer.gov/research/nci-role/cancer-centers Despite living in a country where the government currently picks up treatment costs, I was reading a discussion paper the other day about what will need to change when targeted therapy and immunotherapy move to being first line treatments rather than something only offered when conventional chemotherapy fails. The cost is going to be an issue even in countries with socialised medicine.
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Jun 13, 2018 01:24
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Jikes posted:Boniface is still trying to deal with being #MeToo'd aren't we all
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Jun 13, 2018 01:48
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Methanar posted:Serious question: why aren't there constant mass shootings at insurance headquarters and hospitals by desperate and hosed people with nothing to lose. Why would you shoot up a hospital? The clinical staff (and the other patients and families) don't give a poo poo what insurance anybody has.
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Jun 13, 2018 01:55
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Lolie posted:I'm a bit perplexed by why your mum is being charged for an experimental treatment, even though the amount is much lower than what conventional chemotherapy costs. When it comes to experimental stuff, the research institution often picks up the cost - the downside for patients being that they must meet strict criteria and that their participation often requires a substantial time commitment. it'd depend entirely on whether "experimental" means it's still in phase II-III drug trials or if it's already FDA approved but not covered by lowtax's mom's insurance. if it's the former (it's not) then they'd be paying her a stipend in exchange for getting to test the drug on her. if it's the latter, then lol good luck because bone marrow transplant is going to be the only way forward; insurance co's do this kind of thing all the time and the only recourse is to either pay $25 grand out of pocket now or wait until the patent's generic competition clause is up in like 30 years.
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Jun 13, 2018 02:04
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I'm glad my cousin who grew up in a poor family moved to Norway. If at all possible, everyone needs to get the hell out of America.
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Jun 13, 2018 03:06
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I don’t know how the issue of endlessly inflating health costs and poo poo healthcare are going to be stopped. Everything about it feels so hopeless. I’m definitely going to Canada, or literally any English speaking nation that will take me in. I wonder if an American exodus might happen in the future? Probably not for another couple generations, but I can’t imagine people wanting to raise kids here in 20 years when the middle class no longer exists and everyone is in debt forever and working poo poo jobs for minimum wage which is inching closer and closer to the average wage.
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I’m going to take a break from talking about 'Murcia problems. I get too upset about it. Hope you can get some help for your mom, Lowtax. The Skeleton King fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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