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A.o.D. posted:Is, uh, anyone reading this? Nystral posted:I’m frantically searching for my Sketch Zephyr football rookie card, I think my dog ate it though This one? 
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ulmont posted:Yeah - we're almost to the stretch I've been waiting for. Same.
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Oct 5, 2018 18:48
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Finger Prince posted:Yes, with gusto.
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Oct 5, 2018 22:47
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I'll try to have an update tomorrow. I've been held up by trying to photoshop an rear end on top of Gregg Williams' neck in such a way that you guys can tell the difference from his normal arrangement, and I'm not having much luck.
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Oct 6, 2018 03:41
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Did not find this thread until today but it's a very good thread
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Oct 6, 2018 06:14
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2012. That was a really bad year for the Saints. 2011 ended in the second round of the playoffs in which the Saints fell short in a game against the 49ers on an Alex Smith touchdown run that saw something like 4 lead changes in the 4th quarter (don't @ me, I'm not bothering to look it up, it was one of the best playoff games of all time, so go watch it if you haven't already). The off-season saw bombshell after bombshell unloaded by the league office about a pay-for-performance scheme by the defense that was quickly dubbed "Bountygate". Details had been leaked about the scheme, and how big hits and injuries were rewarded. I'm not going to recap the whole thing, and if you want to catch up, you can do so by reading here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Saints_bounty_scandal Needless to say, everyone was duly outraged, hands were wrung, and poo poo was posted. It was a great time for all. League toadstool Roger Goodell saw an opportunity to take some moral high ground and whip out his authoritative dick, two of his three favorite activities* handed out steep penalties an suspensions. Here's a quick summation of those suspensions: Sean Payton, as the head coach and man responsible for all team activities, was suspended for a full season. Gregg Williams, the architect and executor of the pay for performance scheme, was suspended indefinitely. Mickey Loomis, the Saints director of personnel, was suspended for half a season for failing to shut the program down. Joe Vitt, the Saints linebackers coach, was handed a 6 game suspension and would serve as an interim coach for the remainder of the season while Sean Payton was out. A number of defensive players were also handed suspensions. Here's a summary of what happened after the league handed out their penalties: None of the players served any suspensions. What was particularly galling is that at least one of the players penalized definitively had nothing to do with the program and was simply penalized because "he was a team captain". That guy was Scott Fujita. Who is Scott Fujita? https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/steve-gleason-scott-fujita-documentary-saints Just some guy that carried another guy with ALS up a mountain so that guy could visit Macchu Picchu. No big deal. It was discovered that  had possibly run bounty programs at other teams he'd coached for; to include the Tennessee Titans (including the game in which Peyton Manning received the neck injury that would cost him a season and eventually his career), the Washington Redskins, and as head coach of the Buffalo Bills. The League opted to not pursue any investigations into the conduct of those teams during Williams' career.Sean Payton went off to the Caribbean to put some moves on some thoroughly disinterested women. He would serve his entire suspension. Meanwhile, Gregg Williams would run to the league, blubber out some mea culpas, and actually be reinstated a full week before Sean Payton's suspension would end. A year is a year, but indefinite? Meh, whatever. As for the actual conduct of the Saints players? Well, they must have been really awful at their jobs, because they injured players at a rate below the league average. On to the actual season. The Saints would start their campaign with 4 reasonably close losses. They would go on to end the season 7-9, which was disappointing for the amount of talent on the team, but far above expectations considering everything else that happened to the team. Steve Spagnuolo was an absolute disaster as a defensive coordinator and the defenses he coordinated rarely made effective adjustments and were typically not suited to the personnel available to him. Aaron Kromer, the O-line coach, filled in for Joe Vitt for the first six games as head coach, and he was clearly overmatched in the role. Vitt, the long-time assistant head coach and linebackers coach, would do much to steady the ship and keep the entire season from turning into a shitfest. Even with everything working against the Saints, the offense was still spectacular. Brees had found a new favorite target in Jimmy Graham, and week after week would see the Saints engaging in, and almost as often as not winning, a high scoring shootout. There was even one game where the Saints won a 41-0 shutout over Tampa Bay. Jesus Christ, Tampa, get your poo poo together. In all, Brees had another great year, but because of the defensive ineptitude, was forced to make throws that were questionable or even impossible. His interception rate went up, and his completion percentage went down. He had yet another 5000+ yard season, and threw a bunch of touchdowns, mostly because that was the only way the team could win. For almost any other quarterback who had ever played the game, this would have been a good year. For Brees, this was a slightly down season. code:code:* his third favorite being destroying the players' union. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Oct 6, 2018 |
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Oct 6, 2018 14:51
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The 2013 season saw the reinstatement of head coach Sean Payton and a new DC in Rob Ryan. Things improved immediately. Offensive production increased and the defense gave up fewer big plays through the air, and Mark Ingram had become a valuable running back. The team looked very much like its old self circa 2011, but with the addition of an improved running attack. This season would see the Saints win every home game, which combined with 2011, means that New Orleans hadn't lost at home under Sean Payton since the last game of the 2010 season. It looked like the woes of 2012 were an anomaly brought about by the heavy handed penalties of Bountygate. The team would make it back to the playoffs, only to be bounced out in the divisional round by the ascendant Seahawks. Drew Brees rebounded from his reduced output last season. While his raw touchdown count went down, his efficiency went up, and he protected the ball more. The team didn't miss the extra touchdowns, as the running game became far more efficient, which helped Brees make better decisions as he rarely needed to force the ball into difficult situations. For a second straight year he broke the 5000 yard mark, and this made the fourth time he'd done so. code:code:
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Oct 8, 2018 18:14
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2014 came and went with a wet fart. The Saints lost to good teams, they lost to bad teams. They lost when they should have won, even when they won, they couldn't put teams away. Curiously, they managed to get a win over a good Green Bay packers team and a decent Pittsburgh Steelers, but other than that, they kind of sucked. Rob Ryan's defense couldn't protect a lead, and once the opposing team had a lead, they surrendered touchdowns faster than the prolific offense could generate them. For most of the season, anything less than perfection by the Saints offense was a recipe for disaster. Drew Brees was good, but not good enough to bail out the team. With him, they were 7-9. Without him, they probably would have been in contention for the 1st overall draft pick. He wouldn't set any records this year, nor would he get any sort of recognition for his futile efforts to bail out the team, but he kept at it, never taking a snap off, and producing at his expected high level. With the defense sucking rear end, he had to force the ball a lot more than last season, which accounts for his modest drop in production and efficiency. code:code:
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Oct 10, 2018 23:58
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This is a good thread and I guess the saints defense isn’t as bad as I previously imagined
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Oct 11, 2018 00:43
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Sweeper posted:This is a good thread and I guess the saints defense isn’t as bad as I previously imagined Sadly, this narrative isn't including the running stats. Also, bear in mind the entire time the Saints are putting up losing seasons, they're near or at the top of offensive production in the league. The only reason why this team has produced mixed results over the past 12 years is because of the defense. Other than the 2006 NFCCG and the A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Oct 11, 2018 00:52
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this dude is the frank gore of qbs
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Oct 11, 2018 05:50
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Cavauro posted:this dude is the frank gore of qbs So he's Vinny Testaverde?
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Oct 11, 2018 15:41
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Cavauro posted:this dude is the frank gore of qbs Bite your tongue!
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Oct 12, 2018 00:53
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Quiet Feet posted:So he's Vinny Testaverde? Vinny Testaverde is a god-tier football player name.
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Oct 12, 2018 00:59
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This is it. The post you've probably been waiting for. Today is the day Sketch Zephyr goes super saiyajin 2015, pops all the performance enhancing drugs, and goes absolutely batshit insane. Just take a look at this poo poo:  Who are those lines on the spreadsheet you might ask? IT DOESN'T MATTER. Guys who are riding the pine this year posted career games in 2015 against the Saints. Week after week the guy under center benefited from the performance enhancing drug known as the Saints Defense. By my reckoning, 6 different quarterbacks had the best games of their career against the Saints that season. For Brees' part, he did not let the team down, though he did miss a game thanks to an injury to his throwing shoulder, the same one that had been repaired during the 2006 offseason that led the elite QB to the Saints as a free agent. This would be only the 2nd game Drew would miss, and the 1st he'd miss due to injury. Drew put up his typically excellent numbers, but they just didn't matter. With half the team being so abjectly miserable, he'd be ignored, and unjustified speculation that his career was done would begin in earnest this season. code:Sketch would feast upon the Saints defense all season long. His worst game was merely good, his best games, and there were many of them, would count as career days for almost every quarterback that had ever played the game. In our world, Cam Newton won the MVP, but here, Sketch wins it, and it the voting isn't even close. Even in losing efforts Sketch was almost always the best quarterback on the field. He was accurate, efficient, and prolific. code:Next time: More of the same. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 14, 2018 14:13
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Something you didnt touch on is Sketch Zephyr sets the single seaon passing yardage record and its not close.
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Oct 14, 2018 22:02
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Barudak posted:Something you didnt touch on is Sketch Zephyr sets the single seaon passing yardage record and its not close. He's never broken 5000 yards.
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Oct 14, 2018 22:30
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A.o.D. posted:He's never broken 5000 yards. That's amazing.
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Oct 14, 2018 22:35
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A.o.D. posted:He's never broken 5000 yards. Im missing something here because if you average 365 yards a game over 16 games you end up well north of 5000
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Oct 15, 2018 00:22
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Barudak posted:Im missing something here because if you average 365 yards a game over 16 games you end up well north of 5000 Very good catch. My Formulae were all hosed up. Like I said, I'm not very good at this. Sketch still had an amazing year, and his hallmark has been efficiency, not raw stats, though his raw numbers this year were still pretty great. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 00:50
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Holy moly I had no idea, I thought the peak worst saints defense was right after the super bowl win, not two years ago
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Oct 15, 2018 01:24
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mastershakeman posted:Holy moly I had no idea, I thought the peak worst saints defense was right after the super bowl win, not two years ago Oh god, no. 2010-2011 were much better than 2012, 2014, 2015, or 2016 (2013 was weird Rob Ryan dead cat bounce).
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Oct 15, 2018 01:29
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How many consecutive years can a team finish 7-9 and not be labelled  ? The Saints would post their 3rd straight 7-9 season, their 4th in the past 5 years, and their 6th in Sean Payton's 11 year tenure*. Amazingly, the team never did get called that. The offense was too stellar, the defense was too putrid. The only aspect of the team that could be considered average was special teams, as they did little to help or hurt the team's overall chances.*reminder that 2012 was the suspension season. That's not to say there was no attempt to improve. Rob Ryan was given the boot after his 2015 defense proved to be the worst in league history. Dennis Allen was promoted to take his place and some personnel changes were made, though they weren't enough. The pass defense was nearly as bad as last year, and teams knew to air it out at will. Turnovers were generated at a very low rate, and too many games required the offense to score 30+ points just to stay competitive. What was more frustrating was the defensive unit's lack of consistency. They produced a few decent games, but at their worst they were every bit as bad as the previous season. There was some reason to hope, however. The 2016 defense proved to be effective at the run, and the Saints were considerably more effective on the ground than their opponents. Drew Brees blah blah carried the team,  let's laugh the people that suggested he was done, tl;dr he was "merely" great. Oh yeah, and he had yet another 5000+ yard season. No biggie.code:code:
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It's 2017, and we've come to the end of our journey so far. The Saints would finally claw their way out of the mire of mediocrity, but not without some changes. Long time Payton cohort Joe Vitt was fired from the time, as was most of the coaching staff. This was almost certainly a job saving measure by Sean Payton, as three consecutive years of 7-9 finishes had eroded most of the patience he'd earned from the good years, as well as the Superbowl victory. Dennis Allen was brought in to be the DC, and an almost completely new staff installed around him. In truth, this only marginally improved the Saints' defensive performance that season, as what really mattered was that the team had produced one of the greatest draft classes in its history. This year the Saints would have both the Defensive and Offensive Rookies of the year in Marshon Lattimore and Alvin Kamara. They'd gain 4 wins from the previous year, finishing the regular season at 11-5, take the NFC South over the Carolina Panthers (whom they managed to defeat three times that year), and lose to the Minnesota Vikings on a missed tackle as time expired in the divisional round of the playoffs. A disappointing end, to be sure, but a massive improvement over the previous three years. Some of Drew Brees' raw stats saw a sharp decline from previous seasons. His touchdowns were way down, but so were his interceptions. A closer look showed that his efficiency was way up. Thanks to the combined rushing attack of Kamara and Ingram, the most effective rushing duo in the league, Drew no longer needed to carry the team. His passing attempts went down, as did his yardage, but his yards per attempt went up, as did his passer rating, even though, or rather, BECAUSE he was throwing the ball less. For the entirety of Drew's career in New Orleans, he was always the first look to make a play happen, but 2017 finally saw that dynamic shift, and it wasn't at all because of Drew's age. When he had to, he was more than capable of carrying the team on his shoulders. He just didn't have to as much. On a final note, Brees would again set a new record for best completion percentage all time. code:code:
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Oct 25, 2018 23:51
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A.o.D. posted:Next time: Well, there is no next time, not just yet. We need the career numbers of Brees versus Zephyr for 2006-2017.
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Oct 26, 2018 05:12
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ulmont posted:We need the career numbers of Brees versus Zephyr for 2006-2017. Yeah this is what I was going to ask for. It would also be cool to find someone who put up very similar numbers in a similar time span (like how pfr does automatically ) but I have no idea if there is an easy way to do that
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Oct 27, 2018 06:12
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i fuckin hate this qb really bad!
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Oct 27, 2018 08:53
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WinnebagoWarrior posted:Yeah this is what I was going to ask for. It would also be cool to find someone who put up very similar numbers in a similar time span (like how pfr does automatically ) but I have no idea if there is an easy way to do that It'd be easy to do on a year by year basis, but in order to do it on a career basis, you'd have to compile a SHITLOAD of stats. I ain't doin' that poo poo. Nuh uh. I'll do a career to date for Sketch, and compare him to the QB he was closest to each season in a future post.
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This was a great thread! Really appreciate you putting in the time and effort.
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