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This year there has been a ton of Impact Rookies on Defense, lets take a look at who is leading the pack, and who is going to win. Only 3 defensive players were taken top 10 in this years draft, Denzel Ward (4th to the Browns), Bradley Chubb (5th to the Broncos) and Roquan Smith (8th to the Bears). Chubb opened as the clear favorite to win with Von Miller attracting all the attention on the opposite edge but has since taken a back seat to 2 other players. Some quick hits from Sports Betting Dime:
 Current top Rookies:  Derwin James, Chargers  Position: Safety College: Florida State (No. 17 overall) Through 14 games, James has 93 tackles and three interceptions, 3.5 sacks, and 12 pass deflections. To put James' season into perspective, Troy Polamalu's career averages per season were 65 tackles, 2.6 interceptions, and 1 sack. Darius Leonard, Colts  Position: Linebacker College: South Carolina State (No. 36 overall) Leonard has recorded 135 tackles, an NFL best, including 90 solo tackles. Additionally, he has totaled seven sacks, four forced fumbles, 11 tackles for loss, and an interception. Leighton Vander Esch, Cowboys  Position: Linebacker College: Boise State (No. 19 overall) He has recorded 108 tackles, 2 Interceptions with 7 pass deflections. Bradley Chubb, Broncos  Position: Defensive end College: North Carolina State (No. 5 overall) 20 QB hits, 2 Forced Fumbles, 51 Tackles on the season. With two games still to go, Chubb has already broke Von Miller's Broncos' rookie record for most sacks in a season with 12.0. Denzel Ward, Browns  Position: Cornerback College: Ohio State (No. 4 overall) 48 tackles, 2 Fumble recoveries, 1 Forced Fumble and 3 Interceptions, Ward started out the season hot but has cooled off. And their current* Betting Odds (Lower on the Chart, better Odds to win):  *Updated Wednesdays
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I've been saying Derwin James for weeks now and I'll hold the door open for anyone else who wants on this wagon. I wouldn't really be upset if Chubb or Leonard took it instead, but James is such a complete player right off the bat that it's ridiculous - he can cover, he's actually worth a poo poo in run support, he can blitz and get to the QB, dude's a monster.
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Dec 17, 2018 01:28
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gonna be captain obvious and say it's gotta be James or Leonard. until this week Leonard was averaging more tackles per game (11.25) than Patrick Willis (10.87) and Luke Kuechly (10.31) when they won DROY, which is pretty drat good, but I'd vote James since he's so versatile.
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Dec 17, 2018 01:52
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You should do a thread for Baker Mayfield's offensive rookie of the year award too!
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Dec 17, 2018 16:43
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Flikken posted:You should do a thread for Baker Mayfield's offensive rookie of the year award too! It would just be a thread about Saquon Barkley and how amazing he is. Maybe.
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Dec 17, 2018 19:03
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I don't think he should win but honor Landry should be considered Flikken posted:You should do a thread for Baker Mayfield's offensive rookie of the year award too! There's already a Baker thread
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Dec 17, 2018 20:05
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I'm getting on the Darius Leonard bandwagon because he's awesome, but James or Chubb are too and both would be acceptable choices. It hasn't been a great year for rookie cornerbacks, I don't think there's a single one that has a chance
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Dec 17, 2018 21:08
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It should be either James or Leonard, but you can never count out Anyone Who Has A Few Good Weeks For The Cowboys
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Dec 17, 2018 21:13
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Athanatos posted:It would just be a thread about Saquon Barkley and how amazing he is. You mean the guy that is only slightly better than a RB drafted with the Pick we got in the osweiller trade?
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Dec 17, 2018 21:19
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Flikken posted:You mean the guy that is only slightly better than a RB drafted with the Pick we got in the osweiller trade? Psssh, Chubb and Baker weren't even good enough to start half the year. (my god fire Hue into the sun)
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Dec 17, 2018 21:44
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While he is not really in the running for DROY, Daron Payne is pretty good at rushing the passer for a guy whose biggest knock on him pre-draft was that he is a telephone booth.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:39
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To me it's Leonard and it's not particularly close, though admittedly I've seen a lot more of his games than the others and I am a shameless homer. I've barely watched any Chargers games, and when I have James hasn't really stood out to me (the only play of his I remember, actually, is when he mistakenly took a pick out of the endzone to the 2), but his numbers are impressive so I wouldn't be too salty if he won. The guy I'd have a real problem with winning is Vander Esch, because he's a more direct comparison to Leonard and his stats are way less impressive. Him winning would just feel like some media-market bullshit. To me an underrated factor for Leonard is the story. These other guys were all first-rounders, and James as I recall was seen as possibly the safest pick in the draft. Leonard was a second-rounder who, even at that position, was called one of the worst reaches in the draft (including by dumb people like me). But Ballard was confident in him, and from the start of rookie minicamp Leonard grabbed hold of that starting spot and never let go. Oh, and those insane numbers he's put up? He did it while missing a game to an injury. Vote Leonard!
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Dec 18, 2018 03:08
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Leonard would get my vote as well
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Dec 19, 2018 05:05
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I think Minkah Fitzpatrick isn't in the DROTY convo this year, but I have to admit he's really good.
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Dec 20, 2018 04:16
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pasaluki posted:I think Minkah Fitzpatrick isn't in the DROTY convo this year, but I have to admit he's really good. Yeah, I don't think he's going to get many votes but he's going to be excellent IMO, and could have garnered some consideration if the Dolphins weren't so enamored with the idea of just randomly moving him between positions with little warning or practice time.
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Dec 20, 2018 20:07
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Catfish Noodlin posted:Yeah, I don't think he's going to get many votes but he's going to be excellent IMO, and could have garnered some consideration if the Dolphins weren't so enamored with the idea of just randomly moving him between positions with little warning or practice time. The Chargers do this with Derwin James all the time and he rules
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Dec 20, 2018 20:09
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a neat cape posted:The Chargers do this with Derwin James all the time and he rules Is James really doing things dramatically different from what he did in college? Afaik it's the same general safety/dime defender stuff, it's just the Chargers have really embraced it and have a defensive scheme that can facilitate it. If you took him and played him as a boundary corner(which is my main complaint with what the Dolphins have done with Fitzpatrick) you're going to take him away from all that and almost certainly make him less effective in coverage to boot.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:13
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The betting odds are once again in Darius Leonard's favor:  Seems to be a 2 horse race at this point with Leonard and Derwin James pretty drat close. Vander Esch still is in the hunt, but the competition has pretty much passed him. With 1 game left in the season, here are the stats at a glance: Leonard has 155 tackles, 7 sacks, 12 tackles for a loss, 8 quarterback hits, 1 interception, 6 passes defensed, 4 forced fumbles, and 2 fumble recoveries in 14 games. Leonard is 19 tackles away from the all-time NFL rookie mark and 12 away from tying the all-time Colts tackle record. Derwin James - 99 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 4 tackle for loss, 6 qb hits, 3 INT, 13 passes defended
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Dec 27, 2018 20:06
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have they standardized tackles as a stat? I remember a few years ago reading that each team kept their own tackle stats and would occasionally do poo poo like award half tackles for jumping onto a pile as the ball carrier was already falling to the ground ShakeZula posted:The guy I'd have a real problem with winning is Vander Esch, because he's a more direct comparison to Leonard and his stats are way less impressive. Him winning would just feel like some media-market bullshit. agreed, and unfortunately I think he's got a real shot at winning
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Dec 27, 2018 20:20
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Flikken posted:You should do a thread for Baker Mayfield's offensive rookie of the year award too! You keep forgetting Lamar Jackson exists. Don't do that to yourself, he's awesome. DROTY has to go to James. He's just phenomenal.
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Dec 27, 2018 20:25
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The Puppy Bowl posted:You keep forgetting Lamar Jackson exists. Don't do that to yourself, he's awesome. Yeah no Baker is top 3 passer rating since Hue was fired and top 10 counting the boulder part of the season. It's him or Saquan.
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Dec 27, 2018 20:39
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The Puppy Bowl posted:You keep forgetting Lamar Jackson exists. Don't do that to yourself, he's awesome. I have as good a chance as Lamar Jackson at being named OROTY e: in a just world it'd be Baker, but given East Coast Bias and the Giant's official Classy Organization Status it'll probably go to Saquan
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Dec 27, 2018 20:42
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indigi posted:I have as good a chance as Lamar Jackson at being named OROTY *Looks at Nick Chubbs half season of stats and draft position* *Looks at Saquon's full season and draft position* 
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Dec 27, 2018 22:43
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indigi posted:have they standardized tackles as a stat? I remember a few years ago reading that each team kept their own tackle stats and would occasionally do poo poo like award half tackles for jumping onto a pile as the ball carrier was already falling to the ground There's probably still a bit of dubiousness in counting tackle assists, but Leonard also leads the league in solo tackles, and in fact is the only player with more than 100.
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Dec 28, 2018 03:04
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Tackles itself is a garbage stat. If the TE you're covering converts a 3rd down over the top of you and you bring him to the ground after the catch that's a tackle same as any 1 yard run.
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Dec 28, 2018 20:42
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Derwin James rules and I hope he wins
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Dec 28, 2018 21:34
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a neat cape posted:Derwin James rules and I hope he wins 
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Dec 29, 2018 00:27
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Saquan is going to win OROTY because Baker talks poo poo
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Dec 29, 2018 01:01
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Saquan is going to win OROTY because Baker talks poo poo Saquon is also probably top 5 in his position and Baker is not
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Dec 29, 2018 01:06
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Raku posted:Saquon is also probably top 5 in his position and Baker is not Baker has won Rookie of the week 6 times to Saquon's 1.
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Dec 29, 2018 02:25
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hang the rookie of the week banners
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Dec 29, 2018 06:40
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Rookie of the Week isn't enough material for a shirt, so, PRINT THE THONGS
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Tackles itself is a garbage stat. If the TE you're covering converts a 3rd down over the top of you and you bring him to the ground after the catch that's a tackle same as any 1 yard run. Leonard also has 12 tackles for loss, which puts him smack in the middle of a bunch of pass rushers and DL on the list. Not to mention the interception, 7 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles!
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Dec 29, 2018 17:52
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Leonard rules, no question. He was absolutely robbed of the pro bowl. Mosley has had probably the worst season of his career(which is still pretty good) and definitely shouldn't have got the nod.
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Dec 30, 2018 17:36
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Leonard rules, no question. He was absolutely robbed of the pro bowl. Mosley has had probably the worst season of his career(which is still pretty good) and definitely shouldn't have got the nod. On the other hand: CJ loving MOSLEY
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Dec 31, 2018 01:42
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Rookie QBs in the playoffs: Baker Mayfield: no Sam Darnold: no Josh Allen: no Josh Rosen: no Lamar Jackson: Yes roookie of the year bitch
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Dec 31, 2018 02:00
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Ghost Dog posted:Rookie QBs in the playoffs: This is the defensive rookie of the year thread fam
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in that case its cj mosley
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