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zimbomonkey posted:You guys aren't acting like 80% of ICE wouldn't quit when they found out they weren't allowed to abuse immigrants anymore that's fine. In fact that's the goal. You don't want to mass fire thousands of idiots who are surely personally armed and equipped with some grievance, bullshit though it may be. You want to slowly suck the life out of them by transferring them to idaho and have them licking stamps.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Yeah but the point isn't just getting rid of the agency, it's also holding every single person in the agency accountable for their active involvement in a genocidal project. Didn't say they were going to be immune to prosecution. But I highly doubt it would ever be as widespread or as punishing as anyone would hope.
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Vox Nihili posted:I spent about ten minutes digging through YangGang land and holy poo poo, they live in a terrifying and bizarre alternate reality. The less said the better. About the same as r/The_Donald or something hilariously further beyond?
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Jan 31, 2020 03:21
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Yang Gang thinks this is a good idea https://twitter.com/amandakhurley/status/1222886197502062592?s=21
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Jan 31, 2020 03:27
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Mat Cauthon posted:Yeah but the point isn't just getting rid of the agency, it's also holding every single person in the agency accountable for their active involvement in a genocidal project. let's not kid ourselves, that's what's going to happen. Every member of ICE belongs in jail but the best realistic outcome we're going to get is ICE disbanded, the camps shut down, a more compassionate immigration system put in it's place, and the former ICE agents retiring, going into the public sector, or getting shuffled to another agency. We're not getting mass arrests, we're not getting a truth and reconciliation committee, we're not getting justice for the people raped, murdered, kidnapped, tortured, in our concentration camps. It's going to end up like residential Schools. A monstrous crime against humanity committed by the US government that was eventually stopped but nobody went to jail and most people don't even learn about in school decades later. And that is actually a positive alternative. Stopping the crimes that are going on now and dismantling the system that perpetuated those crimes is absolutely better than letting the crimes go on.
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Gripweed posted:let's not kid ourselves, that's what's going to happen. Every member of ICE belongs in jail but the best realistic outcome we're going to get is ICE disbanded, the camps shut down, a more compassionate immigration system put in it's place, and the former ICE agents retiring, going into the public sector, or getting shuffled to another agency. We're not getting mass arrests, we're not getting a truth and reconciliation committee, we're not getting justice for the people raped, murdered, kidnapped, tortured, in our concentration camps. It's going to end up like residential Schools. A monstrous crime against humanity committed by the US government that was eventually stopped but nobody went to jail and most people don't even learn about in school decades later. I'm willing to wager that they at least put a couple of the higher-ups on trial just to make an example of them.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Wut? no, your post I responded to read as you being against dismantling ICE
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snorch posted:I'm willing to wager that they at least put a couple of the higher-ups on trial just to make an example of them. I'd wager the opposite. If anyone goes to jail for it it'll be some low level people who committed specific abuses above and beyond the standard level of horror. And like, videotaped themselves doing it.
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Zikan posted:Yang Gang thinks this is a good idea This isn't a bad idea, but instead of destroying old buildings they should be repurposed, and instead of calling it that call it literally anything else.
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Jan 31, 2020 03:35
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Okay- first off, don't adopt that loving language with us. There is no inherent value to being "fair/lawful" or whatever. You can carve out exceptions for harmful groups and people. edit: Put another way, "consistency/lawfulness" is only useful when it helps you accomplish your goals or where violating it will be a net harm. It's similar to the topic of "free speech" - we carve out exceptions because certain forms of speech cause enough harm that it's not worth allowing them out of some misguided sense of fairness/principles. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Jan 31, 2020 03:38
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FizFashizzle posted:This isn't a bad idea, but instead of destroying old buildings they should be repurposed, and instead of calling it that call it literally anything else. Sending the Army in to tear down poor people’s houses, what could go wrong?
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Bottom Liner posted:no, your post I responded to read as you being against dismantling ICE You’re not the only one, apparently, so I guess I should explain. I was deriding the fact that some people’s definition of human rights can be signed away in a contract. That, somehow, ICE agents shouldn’t be fired because they were entitled to organized employment for the purpose of committing crimes against humanity. The fact that this inherent right could be discounted by a loving employment agreement demonstrates the extreme weakness of that argument.
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I'm losing my mind imagining an army government home renovators descending on a town like locusts and doing HGTV poo poo for every house, leaving puzzled citizens with a lot of questions and even more white shiplap walls.
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LOL https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1223076955903479808 Author is of course a Republican
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Wut? Yeah, I read it the same as this guy: Bottom Liner posted:no, your post I responded to read as you being against dismantling ICE Carry on, I reckon.
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Jan 31, 2020 03:57
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Zikan posted:Yang Gang thinks this is a good idea quote:The Commander of the Legion would have the ability to overrule local regulations and ordinances to ensure that projects are started and completed promptly and effectively. Yang must be angling for a VP nod from Pete because this sounds like the kind of thing he'd do in a heartbeat if he were still mayor.
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Jan 31, 2020 04:02
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overmind2000 posted:About the same as r/The_Donald or something hilariously further beyond? Similar to the_donald but more bot-like and single-minded. Also they almost universally seem to have no idea that 1) Yang has almost no shot of winning the primary and 2) getting a massive UBI program enacted is insanely hard under the best of circumstances. They think Republicans are going to be on board with passing UBI, for example. Like, the T_D folks were prepared with an array of bizarre and evil conspiracy theories for Trump's "inevitable" defeat, but the YangGangers really just believe in their hearts that they are going to win outright, and will like and retweet such sentiment to the moon 600 times a day. It's wild.
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Vox Nihili posted:Similar to the_donald but more bot-like and single-minded. Also they almost universally seem to have no idea that 1) Yang has almost no shot of winning the primary and 2) getting a massive UBI program enacted is insanely hard under the best of circumstances. They think Republicans are going to be on board with passing UBI, for example. So, you'd say they're not very good at MATH?
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Ytlaya posted:There is no inherent value to being "fair/lawful" or whatever. You can carve out exceptions for harmful groups and people. Yeah, y’all are right actually. I initially misinterpreted some of the rhetoric as being openly purge-y and violent. Like “morally, they should be gulaged (or worse), but we’ll settle for eliminating the dept instead.” I agree that there probably isn’t a redeeming argument to be had about anyone who’s worked for ICE. It’s a racist and fascistic apparatus with a mission totally at odds with my values and the reality facing down the world as climate change gets worse. Same thing with prison guards, really. You could get a lovely low-paying job doing anything else but at least here you get to be a professional sadist. I really don’t think that the optics would be that bad. Certainly no worse than any bullshit stunt the GOP’s tried to pull. And ICE is pretty drat unpopular for good reason. Like, Fox and Ted Cruz could whine about overreach and security and paying jobs but I’m p sure most Americans would be like “aww what a shame. Guess you’re gonna have to find a new job  “Like, I’ve been fired and laid off and switched careers enough times in 12 years of working that “all those poor ICE workers would be laid off” doesn’t really begin to tickle my sympathy hairs. Ultimately we’ve spent 250 years slow walking human rights for black people in this country in the name of “doing things lawfully” and that’s basically just created one environment of atrocity after another. I retract and reverse my previous statement. But everyone do please be careful and mind your language so as to keep the coppers from Lowtax’s door. I’m sure that if they tried to pin him for whatever reason his poor spine would disintegrate.
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Separating these two thematically from my previous post.FizFashizzle posted:This isn't a bad idea, but instead of destroying old buildings they should be repurposed, and instead of calling it that call it literally anything else. As long as they aren’t turned into open-plan offices or lovely cookie-cutter exposed brick “breweries” for the world’s most tiresome white millennials to eat “kimchi tots” at like every old building in my area. Bushido Brown posted:So, you'd say they're not very good at MATH? The yang gang’s relationship with math is basically the Star Trek: Discovery take on math, or really anything ~stem~. A bunch of people who don’t know anything about anything going  “gently caress yeah, now that’s what I call math!” like it means something. “Keep up nerd! I do math and I like to gently caress!”  
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Gonna close this thread in a few minutes and create a new one to usher in primary season. Just a heads-up, so no one loses any long posts when it gets locked.
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Yang's MATH stands for Make America Think Harder.
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Main Paineframe posted:Gonna close this thread in a few minutes and create a new one to usher in primary season. Just a heads-up, so no one loses any long posts when it gets locked. Dumb q- but you mean long posts they’re actively working on, right?
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Dumb q- but you mean long posts they’re actively working on, right? Yeah. It always sucks when you're working on a long post and finally hit the post button, only to discover that the thread's suddenly closed and your post was lost forever! That's the kind of lost posts I'm talking about.
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Vox Nihili posted:Similar to the_donald but more bot-like and single-minded. Also they almost universally seem to have no idea that 1) Yang has almost no shot of winning the primary and 2) getting a massive UBI program enacted is insanely hard under the best of circumstances. They think Republicans are going to be on board with passing UBI, for example. Nothing wrong with staying positive but I'll see them on twitter getting really excited that Yang hit 5% nationally and what this trend means for his chances in Iowa... next week... and I start to feel a little sad for them. Some of them are going to be crushed once the voting starts.
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Main Paineframe posted:Yeah. It always sucks when you're working on a long post and finally hit the post button, only to discover that the thread's suddenly closed and your post was lost forever! That's the kind of lost posts I'm talking about. why not wait for Monday since the thread is going to explode then anyways? Like when the old threads closed with debates.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Nothing wrong with staying positive but I'll see them on twitter getting really excited that Yang hit 5% nationally and what this trend means for his chances in Iowa... next week... and I start to feel a little sad for them. Some of them are going to be crushed once the voting starts. I asked a Yang supporter true believer how he thinks Yang will win Iowa, let alone hit the 15% threshold, and his answer is that the polls are all wrong and wildly undersampling the tech-aware youth vote (who of course will all show up to caucus for Yang) the Yang Gang lives in an alternate reality where Twitter signal boosting === caucus and primary results and I'm afraid what will happen to them when he drops out with 0 delegates. maybe the smart ones will go to Bernie.
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HootTheOwl posted:why not wait for Monday since the thread is going to explode then anyways? Starting it now gives people a couple days to post normally before the primary results roll in and everyone cracks open their brain spiders. Also, I'm hardly ever at my computer lately so it's tough to time thread creation (something I can't really do from a phone) with any degree of precision. I meant to do this on Tuesday, actually. Anyhow, new thread! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3912894
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