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So being that the Democrats electorate still is dominated by olds who will gladly listen to the sub humans in the media in presidential elections. We have to ask. What is to be done. Should the left Sharon presidential politics say till 2028. By which point the youngest boomer is 64, and the oldest are octegenarians. Do we only support congressional, senate and under races and let the subhumanliberals get their lights punched out. Do we Merle you act to build alternative organizations. Or do we prepare for2024. So to coworker to crush the liberals. Or once again fail? Also what should’ve done about idpol? It has been used to demonize us. And it’s use against our enemies has been limited at best. Is it that useful if it is easily used against us. And the advancement it supports is to advance those who are even more lizard brained hen the white ruling class they join? Should we also reconcentrait on Labour.Organizing more retail workers, helping nurses organize. Promoting wild cat strikes. As that can give us future inroads with the working class. Also should we not work to organize those in rural areas? When it comes to standard bearers. I would argue that so called veterans of occupy should be treated with skepticism. It’s highjacking by either anarchists or by techno dark enlightenment types suggest that those who called themselves leaders should not be given an open arms welcome. Unfortunately, I would extend that to blm as alltoo often the leadership of that movement as in the case of Dee Ray became agents of Capital. We need those who either have socialist or populist bents first and foremost. Now of course we also need to borrow what we can when necessary from said groups. But we need to make it clear the goals of socialism come first. Finally do we now break away from the democrats. Begin an organization now despite the huge structural challenges we face. Relying on the fact that many Millenials and Zoomers want anew party. Starting with literally nothing. Or do we get our own agents to compete in primaries. And also compete in GOP primaries using populist rhetoric to get to the point where we can create a break within said parties? Of course that measure allows stuff like how AOC allows herself to be used by the establishment. So what do you think can be done comrades? Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 17:38 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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You should accept that anarchists aren't actually your enemy & are often very good for starters.
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Whats all the stuff in the thread title and where did you copypaste it from
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forkboy84 posted:You should accept that anarchists aren't actually your enemy & are often very good for starters. 
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funny you should mention organizing retail workers because I was just reading up on the retail union local in my area and they seem like they're the strongest union in the province now and they just keep absorbing other professions, like they rolled a bunch of security and hotel workers into their marxist katamari not too long ago and it seems like they're just building speed and size, kind of jarring after seeing how neutered the electrician's union had become by the time I left
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Whats all the stuff in the thread title and where did you copypaste it from I tried to write in Cyrillic что делать? blatman posted:funny you should mention organizing retail workers because I was just reading up on the retail union local in my area and they seem like they're the strongest union in the province now and they just keep absorbing other professions, like they rolled a bunch of security and hotel workers into their marxist katamari not too long ago and it seems like they're just building speed and size, kind of jarring after seeing how neutered the electrician's union had become by the time I left This is amazing. I have been looking at unions for jobsI am looking at when I get done I may. Really seems like there are some interesting long term prospects. forkboy84 posted:You should accept that anarchists aren't actually your enemy & are often very good for starters. Wasn’t it tHEW archaists who were at occupy who started to demand that all initiatives required a hundred percent support?
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The trick you have to do to recognize the value of anarchists is to recognize the anarcho-liberals that hang out in anarchist circles and refuse to accept their self-identification like you'd do regarding ancaps or mutualists and such. Most people in anarchist circles are just libs and worthless, but proper anarchists are simply in a class above trots, revisionist MLs, academic marxists and the like.
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uncop posted:The trick you have to do to recognize the value of anarchists is to recognize the anarcho-liberals that hang out in anarchist circles and refuse to accept their self-identification like you'd do regarding ancaps or mutualists and such. Most people in anarchist circles are just libs and worthless, but proper anarchists are simply in a class above trots, revisionist MLs, academic marxists and the like. I have had too many debates with anarcho libs/rad libs in real life including a bunch who sang praises about Catalonia for not having gulags. (They did). And also talked about the need to decriminalize sex work despite obviously this mans sucess story quite openly attacking it. Just really put a bad taste in my mouth. Also see the lib soc caucus being a drain on dsa.
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Crowsbeak posted:I have had too many debates with anarcho libs/rad libs in real life including a bunch who sang praises about Catalonia for not having gulags. (They did). And also talked about the need to decriminalize sex work despite obviously this mans sucess story quite openly attacking it. Just really put a bad taste in my mouth. Also see the lib soc caucus being a drain on dsa. Sure, but you're just insisting on judging anarchists by the libs they hang out with on the basis that the libs are just that infuriating. I get where your opinions come from if DSA is their basis though, literally 100% of the people who call themselves anarchist but join something like that are anarcho-liberals.
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forkboy84 posted:You should accept that anarchists aren't actually your enemy & are often very good for starters. 
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uncop posted:Sure, but you're just insisting on judging anarchists by the libs they hang out with on the basis that the libs are just that infuriating. I get where your opinions come from if DSA is their basis though, literally 100% of the people who call themselves anarchist but join something like that are anarcho-liberals. I guess I would say. I would say any going forward will have to require anyone with liberal attachments be kept from any position of power.
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forkboy84 posted:You should accept that anarchists aren't actually your enemy & are often very good for starters.
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no but for real: the problem is that up until now, left wing voters have been too scared to NOT vote democrat out of fear of electing someone like trump. that's told the democrats that no matter what, they have our vote. now trump is already in office. we don't have much else to lose. the solution is simple: if the democrats dont care about you, they don't represent you. if they don't represent you, don't give them your vote. just don't vote democrat in november.
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I intend to if Biden wins vote down ballot for Dems and roll a dice for who I vote for president.I do have to say we need to start exploring if we should also start infiltration of the Republican Party.
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Waiting poo poo out is stupid. As boomers die off, Gen X will replace them. We may not be able to outnumber them, but Mr. Dick bets we can outboomer them.
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Mr. Dick posted:Waiting poo poo out is stupid. As boomers die off, Gen X will replace them. We may not be able to outnumber them, but Mr. Dick bets we can outboomer them. Organizing is not waiting poo poo out. It’s ensuring we win and we can run the tablewhen we do with a opposition that an he anhilated.
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Sorry to bump. ButI would suggest we look towards the success of Sinn Feinn in Ireland as an example of what we want to do and how we could bring broad socialist and populist goals throughout the country. Use their methods to undermine the establishments. Also we should play as the outsiders as they have.
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Get coronavirus and go meet lots of old people op
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Jose posted:Get coronavirus and go meet lots of old people op Already done.
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Jose posted:Get coronavirus and go meet lots of old people op lol i listened to chapo's "The Villages" reading segment on YouTube, christ.... the Olds need to die NOW
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