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Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
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Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

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Alright! I have a dinner date tonight so it might be tomorrow that a new update is put out but the game has been progressed. An event came up and I figured now was a good time to go over a few mechanics, as Imperator is probably the least familiar of the pdx games. I'll probably a do a few of these kinds of posts to slowly introduce different mechanics so people are more informed about the potential consequences of our actions. You can safely skip over this post if you don't care about any of this. If you've been paying attention to the ck3 dev diaries some of this might be familiar.

Here we have Stability, Agressive Expansion, and Tyranny.



And Here we have some corrupt clerks "losing" (ie stealing) the nations grain supplies. Necessary supplies for maintaining our army in the field or overcoming harvest failures! Amastris, being a wise and gracious Basilissa, strings the Tibetans up outside the bazaar, and throws a few suspect clerks off the acropolis facefirst, to the sound of thunderous applause from the hooting mob. The personality cult surrounding the Godqueen was already at a feverish pitch, but we do get some Tyranny out of it! But wait, isn't Tyranny bad? Well....sometimes.

Tyranny does have severe consequences regarding the loyalty of important office-holders and primary-culture happiness. Both of which might contribute to a character getting overthrown or a rebellion/civil war happening. But it also increases slavery output, reduces the price of certain tyranical diplomatic actions, and increases the speed of cultural assimilation. This is incredibly important because

Our kingdom is almost entirely wrong-culture group. The character loyalty penalty is mitigated because our Queen is leading the army and we have no governors, as the monarch directly governs the capital region, which we haven't expanded out of yet.

Here she is desperately attempting to teach greek barbarians how to be civilized. We'll go over governors later, when we actually have some.


Aggressive expansion is simple.

It sucks. It also makes everyone surround us hate and fear us. We get this mostly through annexing new territory. Since we're mostly wrong-culture this poo poo hurts baaad.

Stability is also simple.

It's good folks. If it drops below 50 these bonuses turn into penalties and any ambitious claimants to the throne or disloyal governors might start raising armies.

Plot progression soon!

Zedhe Khoja fucked around with this message at 10:53 on May 6, 2020

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

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The joyful will stoop with sorrow, and when you have gone to the earth I will let my hair grow long for your sake, I will wander through the wilderness in the skin of a lion!

Amastris, comforted by her scouts assurance that Macedon was tied up fighting Antigonos allies in Greece, was alarmed when she heard that Cassander was making his way towards the Hellespont with a large force. A force much too large for her forces to defeat if Lysimachos joined them. Thankfully, the King of Macedon was foolish, and rather than wait for his fellow Diadochi to join him while Antigonos consolidated ever more soldiers in the west, attempted to force the straight to Chalkedon's north, guarded by a small force of lightly armed Ionians. Maybe he assumed Amastris wouldn't break her siege to challenge him? Or that he could scatter the Ionians before she arrive?

Whatever the case Amastris welcomed the mistake. Her victory would be borne out of the underestimation and contempt her enemies had for a female enemy.

Lysimachos must have been feeling desperate, or maybe he just didn't know what awaited him on the Asian shore, as he followed Cassander's lead in wrecking his army upon the Hellespont.


The Thracians fought like lions before being driven into the sea.
The siege takes months, but the city finally falls before being swiftly annexed. Antigonos sends an army into Thrace to begin battering down the walls of Byzantium, but is pounced upon by the reorganized army of Lysimachos.

The Phrygians take massive losses and rout before Amastris can make the crossing herself, and as a result the ensuing battle is a mutual slaughter. Amastris loses nearly a third of her army before the Diadochi withdraws to the interior. The siege of Byzantion is reestablished and reinforcements are drawn from an increasingly small pool of available manpower. Two months into the siege word comes from the west that Pyrrhos has been deposed en absentia by his kinsmen Neoptolemos, a nephew of Alexander the Great and grandson of Phillip by way of Kleopatra, at the urging of Cassander and Ptolemy.


Pyrrhos is barely stopped from taking his men and boarding a ship to Epirus by the wise counsel of Amastris. Pyrrhos would simply be murdered if he set foot in his city, and the entire army combined wouldn't be enough to reclaim his Kingdom. In an attempt to soothe the rage and grief of the former king, Amastris adopts him as a member of her royal household, equal to her natural born sons. Later the queen takes the lad, who in the past several years of campaigning by her side had grown into an athletic and intelligent young man, to the trading markets that had popped up on the outskirts of the besieged city, set up by merchant-ships hoping not to have made their journeys from distant lands in vain. A tiger from Indos had given birth on the voyage to Greece, and Amastris was glad to pay the fortune the Merchant asked for one of its cubs, whom Pyrrhos dubbed "Achilles" after his famed ancestor. Anything to see Pyrrhos happy.

Farther north, the armies of Lysimachos are having some difficulty with the incursion of nomads that is now deep into the Thracian heartlands. Byzantium falls, without the siege ever being challenged. Amastris, fearing the nomads might rob her of her prize, ignores the various armies and makes a beeline for the capital.

Amastris watches as an army twice the size of hers marches past in the distance, seemingly oblivious to the fact that their largest city (and only fortress) was under siege. The Scythians took precedence it seemed. Maybe they thought it better that a "greek" army take the city than a barbarian one.

One last futile battle.
It was another six months before the citadel finally threw open it's gates to the attacker. Both the city and the besieging army were starving at that point. And when it finally did Amastris did nothing to hold her soldiers back.


What followed was a sacking that would go down in history for it's savagery:
:nms: Ancient description of a sacking :nws:

Diaskenthos posted:


33 Six thousand armed soldiers forced their way into the city, with tribal warriors and nomads in great numbers and even more viciously addicted to lust and violence. Neither rank nor years saved the victims from an indiscriminate orgy in which violation alternated with murder and murder with violation. Greybeards and frail old women, who had no value as loot, were dragged off to raise a laugh. But any full-grown girl or good-looking lad who crossed their path was pulled this way and that in a violent tug-of-war between the would-be slavers, and finally drove them to destroy each other. A single looter trailing a hoard of money or temple-offerings of massive gold was often cut to pieces by others who were stronger. Some few turned up their noses at the obvious finds, and inflicted flogging and torture on the owners in order to rummage after hidden valuables and dig for buried treasure. In their hands they held firebrands, which, once they had got their spoil away, they wantonly flung into the empty houses and rifled temples. It is not surprising that, in an army of varied tongues and conventions, including Persians, Greeks, Molossians, Paphlagonians, and Scythians there was a diversity of wild desires, differing conceptions of what was lawful, and nothing barred. Lysimacheia lasted them four days. While its greatest buildings, sacred and secular, collapsed in flames, only the temple of Aphrodite (38)outside the walls remained standing, defended by its position or the power of the conquerors divinity.

34. This, then, was the fate of Lysimacheia, eight years after its foundation. It had been planted in the kingships of Cassander and Antigonos at the time when Lysimachos was menacing Asia Minor, to serve as a bulwark against the Gauls living north of the Euros or any other violent irruption by way of the Balkans. As it turned out, the abundance of settlers, the convenient presence of rivers, and the fertility of its territory, as well as kinship and intermarriage with the local tribes, conspired to favour the growth and prosperity of a shortlived city unlucky only in wars. Amastris, thoroughly ashamed of the dreadful deed and worried by the mounting scandal which it caused, issued a proclamation that no one should keep prisoner a citizen of Lysimacheia. Indeed, the troops had already found their booty useless to them owing to a concerted refusal throughout Greece and Amastria to buy slaves of this sort, and they began to murder them. When this leaked out, the unfortunate men were stealthily ransomed by those who were their relatives by blood or marriage. In due course, the surviving inhabitants returned to Lysimacheia. The squares and temples were restored thanks to the generosity of other Byzantine towns; and Amastris gave the work her divine blessing and financial support.

35. However, it was impossible to encamp for long by the ruins of the dead city owing to the fat-damp ground, and the swarms of flies and disease it summoned. They moved out three miles, and formed up the frightened and straggling Macedonian survivors in their respective units. To prevent any suspicious behaviour on the part of the defeated legions while the Diadochi war was still raging, they were dispersed throughout the Balkans on behalf of Byzantium.
Prior to being sack Lysimacheia was the second largest city in the Hellenic world. It had swelled to be larger than the great Italian city of Rome in a short time, draining all of Thrace's large rural population into it's walls to escape Gaul raids, and was approaching Babylon and Pella in size. Amastris' army had reduced it to less than half its population, and starvation would reduce it more before trade and aid would stabilize the situation. As for the Diadochi himself?

Lysimachos and Arsinoe were put in chains while a pit was dug outside the city and the army rampaged. A day later, rather than the wild animals the couple were expecting, they faced each other, with crude scraps of wood and metal thrown into the pit to serve as weapons. To Arsinoes shock, Lysimachos needed little urging to turn on his wife. But Lysimachos was old, and Arsinoe young, and experience only counts for so much...

Arsinoe was raised up into the royal court as a reward, perhaps to serve as a living reminder of Amastris divine wrath and mercy, perhaps as a trophy. Or perhaps she simply did not wish to anger her powerful father, Ptolemy Soter.
It wasn't hard to bring Cassander to the peace table after this. Lysimachos realm, lacking anything resembling an heir, was divided. Everything west of the Euros was given to Macedon. The Anaxes of the various Thracian tribes were allowed to extend their realms to the sea. The Scythians lackies, the even more primitive Tyrgettae, settled the Euxine coast. Byzantium was given what was left, and was forced to swear fealty to the Basilissa Amastris.


Around this time, the temple of Aphrodite in Amastris collapsed.

Many pointed to it as a bad omen, or a punishment for the atrocity at Lysimacheia. It was swiftly rebuilt, reassuring the public. But the nobility of the kingdom, already alarmed, were driven to a frenzy of superstitious dread. The word "Tyrant" was being whispered more and more within the halls of the temples and palaces. One particularly loud voice came from one of the Bythinian prisoners.

But was swiftly silenced. Another loud voice, a free noble, targeted the Basilissa's comrade-in-arms and adopted kin, Pyrrhos, making accusations that extended into the Basilissa's royal tent. The royal guard made a public demonstration of him and let him limp back home.

Amastris is just beggining to settle back into domestic life watching Antigonos collapse from the safety of her capital when she receives a number of urgent messages.

quote:

1. Antigonos is not collapsing. He is in-fact winning, against all odds. Likely in part due to the numerous other wars Seleukas was fighting.

Armenia has taken Seleukid Sophene, and Atropates has conquered and made Ekbatana his capital, declaring himself "King of the Medes". To symbolize his prestige he has all of his banners dyed with excessive amounts of precious Tyrian Purple dye. The eyes bleed at such beauty and splendor. Regardless the Cyclops is marching on Babylon. We might reconsider the whole "leave him to die" strategy, as it's looking like he isn't going anywhere soon. After the aid he gave us in our own war, betraying him now will surely summon his wrath, all the more fearsome because of his increasingly huge kingdom. (A. send troops to Mesopotamia. B. send troops to Egypt. C. Send troops home, I'm sure this will work out fine without wasting more Amastrian lives)


2. The archon of Byzantium is rather worried about the political situation in his city. A powerful political rival is saying that the Senate is responsible for the misfortunes brought down upon them, and that a dictatorship should be established. As there is nothing resembling a Byzantine army right now, a small handful of troops could stabilize things. Or aid the would-be king. (A for byzantine democracy. B for Byzantine Monarchy. A monarchy will hate us slightly less.)


3. Spartakos calls for aid! The Scythians, high off their victories in Thrace, have invaded the Bosporan kingdom at the head of a massive steppe coalition. I genuinely wasn't expecting this so soon after the initial peace. If we ignore this call for aid one of the royal sons dies horribly. If we answer this call for aid one of the royal sons dies horribly. (A is to answer the summons. B is to leave them to their fate.)

Additionally some feel something must be done to reign in Amastris. The people love her, and the coffers are overflowing thanks to all the enslaved nobles and sacked cities, but is this really the kind of kingdom we want to be? One built on atrocity? Atrocities that haven't even been voted on? A number of particularly brave nobles have drafted a document that they're calling a "constitution", similar to the ones used by Sparta, Athens, post-revolution Carthage, and Rome. This document would allow future laws be passed regulating the monarchs behavior. Something vaguely approaching a Senate, what they are calling the Vis-Dahyu, is to be established and would consist of all noble men and "independent" noble women. The primary restriction imposed at the time of implementation is civilian oversight of the military. Do you put your name down in support of this obvious aristocratic power-grab?

Sweet jesus Amastris look at all the tyranny!

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

A Egypt
B Monarchy
B Let the Scythians do what they want

Can't exactly sign off on restrictions to our god queen. Perhaps some lesser, later monarch might warrant it, but nothing to be done now!

Lord Cyrahzax
Oct 11, 2012

A
B
B


And I would never sign that declaration of treason! Already our queen will be suffering the loss of one of the princes, must we inflict more misery on her?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
A
B
B

No Constitution, only increasingly brazen and entertaining god-queen hubris.


Also, would you mind not using timg tags?

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
A B B and No to putting restrictions on our clearly divine leader

Lynneth
Sep 13, 2011
C
B
B

idhrendur
Aug 20, 2016

A
B
A

A constitution? That's just silly! No.

AnAnonymousIdiot
Sep 14, 2013

CAA That last part seems the most dangerous and urgent.

Ralepozozaxe
Sep 6, 2010

A Veritable Smorgasbord!


A
B
B


No, as I have a weak constitution myself, and would rather not deal with another one.

Servetus
Apr 1, 2010
C Let's not forget that Antigonos refers to our Godqueen as "Satrapia" I think we can let him sweat a little
A I could watch Democracy all day
B Let's stay out of Scythia's business, they are staying on their side of the line.

No Constituion

Pacho
Jun 9, 2010
A
A
B

No
to a Constitution, for now. We'll later make a Constitution based on the live and works of our God-Queen and defend it as Holy Text

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DelilahFlowers
Jan 10, 2020

A
A
B


paff, these "noble" men should get back to the barracks and leave the ruling to the wiser sex. No, Amastria should be ruled by God-Queen Amastris.

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