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Gologle posted:What I would be interested in learning more about is where this creative explosion came from. It probably started with the Beatles naturally, or maybe the Stones, but if you wanted to trace things back further you would have to go to Dylan, Presley, the various unsung black heroes of folk, jazz, and blues (of which rock 'n roll was originally simply another form of R&B), as well as the changing landscape of the world in the 60's. Free flowing money from the record companies, allowing all kinds of weirdos record contracts. Borderline organized crime amongst promoters and managers. Probably the CIA too, which includes the distribution of LSD.
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You ain't kidding about bad managers and producers, hoo boy. Musical history is rife with them.
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May 9, 2020 18:10
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Gologle posted:
Read David Byrne's How Music Works, he makes a solid case that the sounds of a given time's popular music is almost always the bleeding edge of what sounds just became technologically feasible to make. The revolutionary aspect of Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds wasn't the content or quality of performance, it was someone having the idea and, at the time, enormous financial means, to use cutting, splicing, and various other forms of tape fuckery as an instrument in itself. DSotM is what happens with another decade of refinement of technique and advances in equipment. And as the cost of that machinery falls and becomes more and more widely available, more artists can experiment with it, a creative explosion takes place, and we get disco and rap. The story of 20th century music is artists locked in an arms race to discover new colors shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 18:34 on May 9, 2020 |
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May 9, 2020 18:26
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Sometimes I wonder why there's not really a modern equivalent to impact of the music of that time. It's obviously not that we don't have musicians as good, that's nonsense. It's not like we don't have people as popular and well funded, if anything the modern era has allowed for our pop artists to be even richer and have even more elaborate performances if they want to. The genres still exist too, they're not necessarily part of the aforementioned top40 pop juggernauts nowadays but you can find indie bands to scratch whatever incredibly specific itch you have if you go looking hard enough. But realistically the bands of when I was growing up are about as old now as classic rock was when I was born, outside of some almost ironic levels of nostalgia with some pop bands like backstreet boys though, it seems like very little has stuck around and will be remembered like we remember classic rock today. I mean maybe nirvana and smashing pumpkins? Don't get me wrong there's a lot of stuff I personally like but I can't name many bands that feel like they'll be held onto with the reverence of most of this thread.
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May 9, 2020 18:28
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I always hear that the 70's (especially 1974) were a garbage decade for rock, so it's interesting to see a positive opinion on it
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May 9, 2020 18:29
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Phlegmish posted:I always hear that the 70's (especially 1974) were a garbage decade for rock, so it's interesting to see a positive opinion on it Where the gently caress did you hear that lol. That's so wrong.
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May 9, 2020 18:31
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ArbitraryC posted:Sometimes I wonder why there's not really a modern equivalent to impact of the music of that time. It's obviously not that we don't have musicians as good, that's nonsense. It's not like we don't have people as popular and well funded, if anything the modern era has allowed for our pop artists to be even richer and have even more elaborate performances if they want to. The genres still exist too, they're not necessarily part of the aforementioned top40 pop juggernauts nowadays but you can find indie bands to scratch whatever incredibly specific itch you have if you go looking hard enough.
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ArbitraryC posted:Sometimes I wonder why there's not really a modern equivalent to impact of the music of that time. It's obviously not that we don't have musicians as good, that's nonsense. It's not like we don't have people as popular and well funded, if anything the modern era has allowed for our pop artists to be even richer and have even more elaborate performances if they want to. The genres still exist too, they're not necessarily part of the aforementioned top40 pop juggernauts nowadays but you can find indie bands to scratch whatever incredibly specific itch you have if you go looking hard enough. When we're old and our eyes are dim and we spend our days longing for an anchor, a fixed holdpoint in the foggy whirlwhind of half remembered faces and moments that make up our increasingly demented lives, we will find that rock, and put it on infinite repeat, and it will be Backstreet Boys: Millennium
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It's because a new medium exploded and took over the world, and there's a bazillion creative outlets easily accessible.also, I think there's insanely good music being done , just not, ya know, classic rock per se. Just because the greatest talents in like synthwave or grime are not world stars doesnt mean there isn't stuff being made that is as good or better than what came before.its just, ya know, different. Besides, everyone's on the "let's cross every genre with everything else" wave, I'm pretty sure there's a Mongolian throat singing rock band with classical influences out there.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:It's because a new medium exploded and took over the world, and there's a bazillion creative outlets easily accessible.also, I think there's insanely good music being done , just not, ya know, classic rock per se. Nah I get that the genres may have changed, I'm not saying "why aren't there bands that sound like classic rock today" (and there are anyways, they're just not top 40), I'm saying "why aren't there bands from the late 90's, 2000's, 2010's, that we'll talk about like we talk about classic rock today. About the closest I can think of is maybe some particularly revered bands from grunge/alt rock, maybe some early hip hop, but none seem to hold the same reverence as we do for the beatles or w/e.
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It's because that class of 60s/70s classic rockers did some brilliant marketing. The idea of classic rock is a marketing move, as good as the music truly is. I remember as a millennial, my first CDs were like Eminem and Limp Bizkit. Then that School of Rock movie came out, heralding all the classic rock greats we all love. And it was a classic movie in itself. Conveniently, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones both released super hyped compilation albums around the same time. I think I remember tv ads for the Stones' Forty Licks greatest hits album. Cirque du Soleil took on the Beatles a few years later. I had some other examples but I can't think of them. Not like it's a conspiracy, but if any classic rockers were feeling light in the wallet around 2000, a media movement of nostalgia gave them a boost.
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ArbitraryC posted:Nah I get that the genres may have changed, I'm not saying "why aren't there bands that sound like classic rock today" (and there are anyways, they're just not top 40), I'm saying "why aren't there bands from the late 90's, 2000's, 2010's, that we'll talk about like we talk about classic rock today. About the closest I can think of is maybe some particularly revered bands from grunge/alt rock, maybe some early hip hop, but none seem to hold the same reverence as we do for the beatles or w/e. Oh yeah, my bad I got your post wrong. Maybe because there's been a shift to the individual and more a celebrity status? Beyonce and Adele are legends already.drake and Kanye west.bruno mars.ed Sheeran.rhianaa. Coldplay and the white stripes maybe?imagine dragons too probably.but yeah I think it's easier to market a individual as a brand than a whole band.the 80's revival certainly didn't help new bands to cement themselves.
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shame on an IGA posted:Read David Byrne's How Music Works, he makes a solid case that the sounds of a given time's popular music is almost always the bleeding edge of what sounds just became technologically feasible to make. The revolutionary aspect of Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds wasn't the content or quality of performance, it was someone having the idea and, at the time, enormous financial means, to use cutting, splicing, and various other forms of tape fuckery as an instrument in itself. DSotM is what happens with another decade of refinement of technique and advances in equipment. And as the cost of that machinery falls and becomes more and more widely available, more artists can experiment with it, a creative explosion takes place, and we get disco and rap. You should look into how 10CC made "I'm not in love" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oxe4mlsQos&t=113s
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May 9, 2020 21:34
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If imagine dragons are as good as current pop rock gets then I hope it stays dead
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I talk about this topic sometimes with my dad, who was born in 1956 and is a typical boomer in the sense of always going on about how good music was in the late sixties. I don't necessarily agree about the quality of the music relative to now, though it certainly was an explosion of creativity, but listening to him and other boomers I would definitely say that people's relationship to music has changed drastically over the past few decades. First, back in the day people didn't have the Internet, and TV programming was much more limited, with low broadcast quality. Especially outside of the US, who were pioneers of cable television. Basically your only reliable non-social options for entertainment were reading and listening to music, and even social activities would often feature music prominently in some capacity. To many people, music was basically their life, their identity, a trend that continued in an altered way when music-based subcultures started proliferating in later decades. My dad told me that most of the guys he knew in high school were in a band or trying to learn how to play the guitar or whatever. This was fifty years ago in an all-boys Catholic school in a minor provincial city in West Flanders, which itself is not currently known for being the most cosmopolitan province in Flanders, much less back then. How many of the people you know in 2020 actively play an instrument in a band? There might be some if you happen to run in artistic circles or with scene kids, but I doubt it's a dominant theme in your social relationships. People generally just don't care as much about music as they used to, and to the extent that they care, it often is not going to be about rock music. I remember a few years ago I was talking to my friends from university about how I was going to see the Specials. They didn't know who the Specials were, despite this band having had several major hits and being instantly recognizable to anyone even remotely familiar with ska and/or the '77 wave of punk. Hell, I've talked to a significant number of people who had never heard of ska. As in, the musical genre of ska, they were not aware of its existence. Many, many people nowadays just 'listen' to music in the sense that they put it on just to have something in the background. It doesn't even matter what it is. Most people, when I ask them what they listen to, say 'oh, a bit of everything'. There is nothing wrong with that, but it's not an answer you would give if you were passionate about either a specific genre of music or even music in general. Second, and this is obviously closely related to the first point, the musical landscape is much more fragmented than in the past, it's more disposable, and there's more mixing, referencing, and borrowing going on to further blur the lines. Every single style of popular music has a bewildering array of subgenres that are arbitrarily distinguished from each other (made more arbitrary still by the aforementioned crossover). If I'm into bohemian polkacore, I can find a thousand different artists on YouTube making that type of music. I can look them up in ten seconds and spend the rest of my life listening to nothing but bohemian polkacore. I don't have to know who the most popular trap artist of the moment is, and I don't. The very notion of 'popular' music has lost most of its meaning, because due to the Internet there no longer is that common frame of reference except for the absolute greatest of the greats like Taylor Swift (actually, is she even still relevant?). That was completely different in the past. The Beatles in the sixties were huge, and they were universally huge. Tens of thousands of teenage girls were swooning for four Brits with dorky haircuts. If you were inclined to bohemian polkacore, but there were no polkacore bands in your area and you couldn't find any of their records at the local record store, tough poo poo. You probably never even would have found out that there was such a genre, depending on your circle of friends. You didn't have Google or YouTube to look it up or come into contact with it independently. But the Beatles were there. Your parents might have expressed their disapproval at the primitive yeah-yeah music, but the Beatles would still get shown on one of the handful of TV channels you could watch. They were everywhere, inescapable, and if you wanted an alternative it was almost inevitably going to be a similarly huge band (there were garage rock bands but the DIY ethic was still marginal at the time). They were a cultural reference that everyone was aware of, regardless of their opinion on the whole phenomenon. I was talking to my dad the other day and he said he barely knew anything about the band Rush. I was surprised by that. It's a fairly well-known dad rock band that started out in the seventies, right? He explained that he never had the chance to become familiar with them because they happened not to be very popular here, no major hits of theirs were being played on the radio or Top of the Pops. Nowadays the more hipster-inclined among us might scorn such commercialism, but back then that was nearly the only way to get to know a band or a style of music, unless you were lucky enough to have 'that cool friend' with the huge record collection. I didn't originally set out to write a goddamn essay in GBS, and re-reading my post I see that there are some things which almost contradict each other, but I do think that these are all elements that explain why musically we'll never have something like the sixties again, or even the 70's, 80's and 90's with their proliferation of musical subcultures.
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shame on an IGA posted:Read David Byrne's How Music Works, he makes a solid case that the sounds of a given time's popular music is almost always the bleeding edge of what sounds just became technologically feasible to make. The revolutionary aspect of Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds wasn't the content or quality of performance, it was someone having the idea and, at the time, enormous financial means, to use cutting, splicing, and various other forms of tape fuckery as an instrument in itself. DSotM is what happens with another decade of refinement of technique and advances in equipment. And as the cost of that machinery falls and becomes more and more widely available, more artists can experiment with it, a creative explosion takes place, and we get disco and rap. Here's what the Wall of Sound is without technology or funding, 1958's Don't You Worry My Little Pet. There isn't any difference in the volume levels of the instruments or voices. No wonder that the flip side, To Know Him is to Love Him, received much more airplay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd3NU8A1Jws Not long after the accidental discovery of the fuzz guitar sound, The Ventures released this 1962 experiment, the 2000 Pound Bee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9UI92m77bY Switched-On Bach, which sounds so simple now, was groundbreaking in bringing synths into the mainstream.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Where the gently caress did you hear that lol. That's so wrong. It was a pretty commonly stated opinion in the 70s, since a lot of the music writers of the time were 60s holdovers obsessed with the Beatles, Stones and especially Dylan. They were already bitching by the end of the 60s at the rising tide of high-volume proto-metal blues-rock like Cream, Blue Cheer and Zeppelin, and the 70s emphasized a lot of that (plus the godawful singer-songwriter movement and really dull dadrock like Grand Funk Railroad). But popularly, no one gave a poo poo that people like Christgau or even Lester Bangs hated Zeppelin and Sabbath. To be fair, there is a ton of garbage from the 70s. But there was in every decade.
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May 9, 2020 22:39
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Oh yeah, my bad I got your post wrong. yeah there are some rich individuals or even bands but none of them are gonna be treated like the beatles or rolling stone on memory. Modern Pop stars get famous have some amount of time in the spot light, then disappear.
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May 9, 2020 22:49
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ArbitraryC posted:yeah there are some rich individuals or even bands but none of them are gonna be treated like the beatles or rolling stone on memory. Modern Pop stars get famous have some amount of time in the spot light, then disappear. Beyonce
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Milo and POTUS posted:If imagine dragons are as good as current pop rock gets then I hope it stays dead no kidding, that poo poo is dire by any genre standard.
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Music is probably the least important it has ever been in human history. I don't have any other point to make but yeah it's kinda wild our generation has muted music as an important part of our culture
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broke: music woke: memes
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I mean, there's a new wave of classic rock going on in the UK right now.stuff like the fallen state,fantastic Negrito or the church of the cosmic skull probably won't get as big as most bands from the 70's, but it's going to be a wild ride.
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May 11, 2020 01:31
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America - Ventura Highway America - Sister Golden Hair America - Lonely People
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Rod Stewart - True Blue Rod Stewart - My Way of Giving Eric Burdon and War - Spill the Wine
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May 12, 2020 04:08
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Every single "I had a bot read 1000 hours of garbage and this is what it spat out" is all cherrypicked or bullshit. Having said that, Great Balls by AC/DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEVsDN84Hc
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Still https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM3iRY3epFE Zeluth fucked around with this message at 07:56 on May 18, 2020 |
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