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Why would any political system function perfectly when the richest 1% own half the global wealth and have free reign to manipulate outcomes with that wealth?
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Nov 14, 2020 20:58
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OneEightHundred posted:California's ballot propositions are a nice microcosm of the best and worst of direct democracy. On one hand, it broke up the state gerrymander. On the other, God help you if you suggest that people reaping massive home value windfalls should maybe pay some property tax. California just seems really dumb. Ballot propositions did great everywhere this election but there. Here in Oregon the propositions did more to enforce left wing politics than the do nothing Dems.
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Nov 14, 2020 22:29
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punk rebel ecks posted:California just seems really dumb. Ballot propositions did great everywhere this election but there. Here in Oregon the propositions did more to enforce left wing politics than the do nothing Dems. I'd say it's a pretty mixed bag everywhere, here in MA we had people vote against ranked-choice voting, so it seems to me that people are perfectly capable of hanging themselves with the lifeline you throw them any time you try something more complicated than "legalize weed" or "raise the minimum wage". Obviously those are worthwhile goals to pursue, but it's pretty clear that people aren't able to engage with stuff that can't be summarized in a sentence
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Nov 14, 2020 23:45
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BougieBitch posted:I'd say it's a pretty mixed bag everywhere, here in MA we had people vote against ranked-choice voting, so it seems to me that people are perfectly capable of hanging themselves with the lifeline you throw them any time you try something more complicated than "legalize weed" or "raise the minimum wage". Obviously those are worthwhile goals to pursue, but it's pretty clear that people aren't able to engage with stuff that can't be summarized in a sentence Like anything else in politics what has to be done is to get the message out. Ranked choice voting isn't likely to come via congress.
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Nov 15, 2020 08:29
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BougieBitch posted:I'd say it's a pretty mixed bag everywhere, here in MA we had people vote against ranked-choice voting, so it seems to me that people are perfectly capable of hanging themselves with the lifeline you throw them any time you try something more complicated than "legalize weed" or "raise the minimum wage". Obviously those are worthwhile goals to pursue, but it's pretty clear that people aren't able to engage with stuff that can't be summarized in a sentence That was a problem with the Vote Yes on 2 people. Look at what towns voted for it and what towns didn't. The wealthier suburbs loved the idea, the Metro West voted for the idea but they couldn't get out of the wealthy suburbs, they didn't take any message or do any work outside of Greater Boston.
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Nov 15, 2020 14:05
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punk rebel ecks posted:California just seems really dumb. To elaborate on the earlier point, the point of referendums is to tie the hands of the legislature. When that's to break up ossification and corruption in the actual political system, it works really well. When it's used to enact policies that normally require careful consideration of a lot of complex factors, a.k.a. the literal job of elected representatives, like screwing with the budget, it works horribly. (That doesn't apply to establishing commissions/agencies, like the difference is, the government has to be able to functionally do its job. There's a difference between telling them what their objectives must be, and trying to do their job.) OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Nov 15, 2020 |
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Nov 15, 2020 16:10
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Mooseontheloose posted:That was a problem with the Vote Yes on 2 people. Look at what towns voted for it and what towns didn't. The wealthier suburbs loved the idea, the Metro West voted for the idea but they couldn't get out of the wealthy suburbs, they didn't take any message or do any work outside of Greater Boston. If the problem was just people not voting yes then sure, but the thing is that people had to specifically vote no. It's not just that people aren't informed, there's some kind of kneejerk reaction that make people default to whatever position sucks more instead of just leaving it blank
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Nov 16, 2020 00:54
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