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I was growing some vegetables back at the start of the year with a grow light and a leftover storage bin as a hobbyist thing, but I'm under no illusion that I could've upscaled it into self-sufficiency. If I had the resources for something like that I wouldn't be complaining about how poo poo everything is.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Has there ever been a real disaster where a bunch of self-reliant cottagecore skills actually matter at all? there was a lot of DIY and homespun activity during ww2 if you want to classify that as a disaster period. Victory gardens and whatnot. quote:In real life it seems like when things go real bad you just become very poor and then operate under the limitations being very impoverished brings and not become some sort of low tech pioneer surviving on your wits in the wilderness. Because one of the most unspoken yet powerful poverties in capitalist society is the poverty of time. It's the "why do poor people grab drive through instead of just cooking a nice meal at home" argument. And this situation is unprecedented, in that there is a very large excess of free time for many. Not only that, but so many people are working from home that you can spend 6 hours a day working sprinkled with a few minutes planting in the garden and be effective at both.
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Sep 3, 2020 00:58
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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:i'm aware ownership of land is a distant dream for most but price is extremely variable per region, and soil is the real gold gonna need to address this. not only land, but land with water. homesteading and self sufficiency and community resilience and stuff all hinges on having land to grow food on. there's also a minimum lead time of 4-6 months between readying the ground and seeing any food production from it. I realize everyone is at least vaguely aware already, but that distant dream needs to get a lot closer and it needs to get closer, like, sooner. the problem is compounded by rich assholes fleeing cities, as they do, and driving up prices. either we need to pool our resources and go in on some utterly doomed goon commune/community garden spaces or figure out some clever way to start expropriating land or claiming some squatters rights that won't be easily overturned by law or by force. in the meantime millet chickens and millet
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Sep 3, 2020 20:08
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Land needs to be worked to produce food tough. If society collapses farm machinery will quickly run out of spare parts and/or the petrol to run it. So any farm will need a lot of hard manual labour to be worth anything. Even if you can`t afford to set up your own farmstead you can still have a future as a landless agricultural worker for the big landowners. In time they might grant you the right to work a portion of their land for yourself in return for a percentage of your harvest in rent and the rigth to call on you to work for free on their estate fo a certain number of days pr year. At this point you and your male relatives will naturally be expected to contribute to the defence of your community under the leadership of your benevolent landlord. It`s not all doom and gloom.
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Sep 3, 2020 21:58
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:Sure, this is what I do. there has to be an easier way, professional mushroom growers, I think, use manure in dark areas or caves, hardly super sterile. edit: I stand corrected, commercial mushroom farms sound like a huge pain in the rear end also. Torpor has issued a correction as of 22:21 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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Sep 3, 2020 22:04
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Torpor posted:there has to be an easier way, professional mushroom growers, I think, use manure in dark areas or caves, hardly super sterile. It isnt as much of a pain in tye rear end once youve got a rye mother going. You just let a jar grow, plop a bit in the next jar, let that bit grow. Also after you get your space set up and you learn how to be sterile it gets to be not so bad.
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Sep 3, 2020 23:04
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I fuckin hate mushrooms, fortunately a lot of simple veggies are pretty easy to grow anyway.Owlofcreamcheese posted:Has there ever been a real disaster where a bunch of self-reliant cottagecore skills actually matter at all? Yes, because otherwise humans would have gone extinct multiple times. We are not extinct yet, ergo survival skills survived. Plus knowing how to sew and fix simple machines and grow food and such has saved me and my family actual money on a regular basis, and I'd say it's been a significant factor in my own personal survival in the 21st century. I can think of quite a few rent checks that would have been a lot dicier if I'd not been able to get around using cash for necessities. TBH the likely probability is that a lot of us would die, and I'm not personally super optimistic about my odds even though I have y'know a community with people who know a lot of these skills already. However, anybody who makes it through a few waves of climate disaster and then dies (either alone or as a community) because they never figured out how to build a fire or sew some clothes when it was easy is gonna feel pretty loving dumb.
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Sep 4, 2020 00:39
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Honestly OP I'm probably just going to join a gang of raiders and get wasted by the protagonist in the first act, or maybe killed by my boss to show he's a serious guy
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Sep 4, 2020 04:06
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gearing up for my role of nameless skeleton in a stairwell
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Sep 4, 2020 05:49
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Baudolino posted:Land needs to be worked to produce food tough. If society collapses farm machinery will quickly run out of spare parts and/or the petrol to run it. So any farm will need a lot of hard manual labour to be worth anything. Even if you can`t afford to set up your own farmstead you can still have a future as a landless agricultural worker for the big landowners. In time they might grant you the right to work a portion of their land for yourself in return for a percentage of your harvest in rent and the rigth to call on you to work for free on their estate fo a certain number of days pr year. At this point you and your male relatives will naturally be expected to contribute to the defence of your community under the leadership of your benevolent landlord. unironically, the tiny little town I'm living in used to have its own steel works. engines can run off alcohol, alcohol can be produced p easily. keeping enough tillers and tractors running to do small-medium scale farming isn't an insurmountable problem. people did it pretty routinely +/- 100 years ago. redneck ingenuity can keep us running on tractors being towed by honda civics where the engine has been swapped with an outboard engine until western society remembers how to make stuff we do not need to move backwards into feudalism, we can move forwards into neoprimitive postapocalyptic agrarian socialism
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Sep 4, 2020 08:37
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I mean realistically you it won’t be fallout style survivalism but corporate neofuedalism. That’s really boring so I see why the bunker style survivalism is more popular
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Sep 4, 2020 18:36
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Baudolino posted:Land needs to be worked to produce food tough. If society collapses farm machinery will quickly run out of spare parts and/or the petrol to run it. in my mind this is the special interest of permaculture and organic agriculture (to some extent) a lot of it encourages low-tech techniques or manual-powered techniques like rain drip soap-making barrels or high-efficiency manual tillers its also a lot better for the environment. like this thing, much better than a hoe and you could build it out of a shopping cart and a stick  Is there such a thing as a self-reliance 101 compendium? How to sew, how to maintain a small efficient plot, large-batch cooking and canning, etc? Testicular Torque Wrench has issued a correction as of 18:48 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Sep 4, 2020 18:45
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Blockade posted:gearing up for my role of nameless skeleton in a stairwell No, you're better than that. I'm sure that you're going to end up being obnoxious skeleton hidden by lovely camera angles next to a ledge, or part of a skeleton trio in a room. You're strong, and beautiful, and valid
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blockade could even be the skeleton that when you steal the drugs from their hand flips and flops around in the bath tub uncontrollably 
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