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LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

lmao thank you :allears: I love him so much. I found him outside work with a drooping wing during a brief respite in some week-long bad weather, and took him home so I could give him just a couple days of rest and shelter before letting him go again near where I had found him. This was my true and honest intention. However Pigeon took immediately to being a house pigeon, and I took to having a house pigeon, and well, no regrets, here is where we are, a house pigeon and a house pigeon haver.



There's a lot to read in mythology and spirituality about doves and their sudden appearances, but a lot of it is much too grandiose for me and so I think sometimes a pigeon can only be a pigeon. All I know for sure is he is sweet and soft and cuddly and I love him.

LITERALLY A BIRD has issued a correction as of 18:41 on Apr 25, 2024

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LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

relevant to Mr. King James being mad about witches

Magic: A Problem in Semantics posted:

The power of spiritual beings reflects the authority of other people. (Whether this is the authority of the clan as Durkheim had it or that of the father in the Freudian view is here immaterial.) Magical power reflects the capabilities of the self, and mana, the dynamic forces of the physical universe. Man's ability to acquire skills and use them to shape his world is thus projected as one of the universal superordinate powers. The traditional hostility between deistic belief and magical belief is understandable. An ideology that holds man to be wholly dependent on powerful gods must view a conception of man as one of the ruling forces in the cosmos as hubris of a most literal and damnable kind.

Erwin R. Goodenough, discussing the persistence of magical practices in Judaism, writes that religious symbols "originally of direct and inherent power ... have gradually been made to refer in addition to more remote spiritual forces" (1953:160). The use of the adjective "remote" is highly suggestive. In small-scale societies, effective action is performed by the self and by familiar others. In large-scale societies, the exercise of power by distant authorities or even unknown agents may provide the source for the projection of "remote spiritual forces." But the immediacies are never wholly superseded, and even those religions that place most weight on a transcendent omnipotent deity retain practices expressing the projection of the immediate.

[...]

Just as prayer and sacrifice express the belief that the universe is governed by personified beings whom one can reach by words and gifts, so magical practices express the belief in human powers as effective forces. The use of such practices in rituals addressed to the gods is not a discordant intrusion of magic into religion. The composite ritual states that the gods do not rule alone; their will and power are accompanied by the will and power of men.

Examination of the concept indicates that the distinction between magic and religion, whether phrased as dichotomy or polarity, is unwarranted. Magic is not an entity distinct from religion but a form of ritual behavior and thus an element of religion. That the distinction has led only to confusion supports the judgment that the abstraction is based on misinterpretation. It has not only falsified the relation between religion and magic, and led to obscurantism concerning magic, but it has also given rise to a truncated concept of religion as a whole. The cosmological concepts inherent in religions are more complex than belief in spiritual beings only. Because the index of "belief in superhuman beings" recognizes only one aspect of religion, it seems preferable to substitute the definition that religion entails belief in superordinate agencies.

even when hating magic actually is about hating women, it is also still very much about religion, and power, and keeping that religious power squarely in the hands of those already holding it.

Magic, on the other hand, and the practice thereof seems to be inherently anti-establishment. And we all know who else was famously anti-establishment, right Ohtori

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

acts of Gord

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




BONGHITZ posted:

acts of Gord

did we change the spiritual nature of jacks o lantern when we started making them from gourds instead of turnips

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

lmao thank you :allears: I love him so much. I found him outside work with a drooping wing during a brief respite in some week-long bad weather, and took him home so I could give him just a couple days of rest and shelter before letting him go again near where I had found him. This was my true and honest intention. However Pigeon took immediately to being a house pigeon, and I took to having a house pigeon, and well, no regrets, here is where we are, a house pigeon and a house pigeon haver.



There's a lot to read in mythology and spirituality about doves and their sudden appearances, but a lot of it is much too grandiose for me and so I think sometimes a pigeon can only be a pigeon. All I know for sure is he is sweet and soft and cuddly and I love him.
Sometimes that's all you need. :lovebird: I believe he's also magic though, 100%.

BONGHITZ posted:

acts of Gord
Does anyone else remember the website that had that title? I think it was about some guy's "poo poo that didn't happen" stories from working in a video rental store?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Squizzle posted:

did we change the spiritual nature of jacks o lantern when we started making them from gourds instead of turnips

Almost certainly. Does anyone give a poo poo about turnips anymore? When was the last time anyone ate a turnip?

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Almost certainly. Does anyone give a poo poo about turnips anymore? When was the last time anyone ate a turnip?

im eating one right now

just pulled it outta the dirt like luigi and chomping down like a apple

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I always played Peach, she was best to play and dressed great, though Luigi and Toad are best for specific stages

Scornful Sexbot
Sep 24, 2007


Dinosaur Gum
turnips are real good I grow them every year, sometimes twice a year just try em

Charlatan Eschaton
Feb 23, 2018

radishes are good but i don't think i've ever had a turnip i'll have to buy some, never have luck with root vegetables growing. i'm trying lots of basils and tiny tomatoes this year they're doing okay.

been trying to spend as much time working in gardens as possible before it gets too hot outside but i think i have adapted to move on plant time now my thoughts are moving slower than ever lol. trying to label stuff better cause i always start like ten different varieties of plants and the forget what type they are if/once they start sprouting. i'm using an old vertical blinds to make little tags for seedlings and can fit 5 or so names on a section before cutting it up. so writing the name down 5 times in a row feels like a chant or a spell to summon the plants spirit in addition to helping me remember what they're called later. good handwriting practice too cause you want it to be readable later after it's been exposed to the elements for a while. also noticed when sweeping it sounds nicer to have a little rhythm of like 3 or 4 small sweeps to collect dust into a pile and then a big sweep to brush it away. swept up an area around a fire pit like that and got sort of a witchy vibe.


visiting family the other day they were doing a crossword puzzle and the clue was female demon and the answer was lamia? i don't pay attention to greek/roman stuff so hadn't heard of that i guess its some greek thing a half serpent lady that smells bad and eats children? imagine..

the description has some similarities to lilith but also the name sounds like lama/lamassu a bit too. if lamassu are protective gods this sounds like they were trying to scare ppl away from individual god/desses to their comic book rear end buff dude pantheon.

The Babylonians: An Introduction - Gwendolyn Leick posted:

Of course the prebend system allowed at least some members of the public to participate to a greater or smaller extent in liturgical ceremonies at the temple but ordinary citizens did not need to get involved since their devotions seem to have been primarily addressed to their ‘personal gods’ (ilum but also referred to as lamassu or ˇsedu) in a private setting. In Old Babylonian Ur houses Leonard Woolley discovered niches and similar arrangements which he identified as private altars, as well as figurines which possibly represented deities.39 Literary prayers from this period also stress the attachment to ‘one’s (own) god’ (ilum). The personal god was not one of the great gods of the Babylonian pantheon, not even the god invoked in one’s personal name, but a protective supernatural guiding spirit who like a guardian angel (the customary translation of lamassu) guided his protégé through life, protected him (or her) from harm and interceded for him with the celestial deities. Since one’s ‘own god’ was thought to be intimately associated with the person, any illness or misfortune he experienced as the result of malevolent influences or of ‘sin’ also affected his god.40 In order to re-establish the vitality of both god and human being, a ritual known as ‘Mouth Washing’ could be performed.41 This consisted of two parts: first, the revitalisation of the personal god who was reborn through the symbolic enactment of a birth-process; and thereafter that of the human subject who was placed in a sort of magical cage indicated by lines drawn with flour and washed with various substances. A portable stove was also used into which the officiant threw seven images. Incantations are spoken throughout, and the afflicted had to be ‘judged’ before he was free to leave the cage, cleansed with incense, and waved over with a flaming torch. In this manner the proper relationship between the person and the god was re-established. What is not made explicit in this text, and indeed in many similar ritual instructions, is where this ritual was to take place, whether it had to be performed in a temple or a private house for instance.

reenactment of birth processes, or morning routine of putting some items on the stove for breakfast and hopping in the cleanliness cage (shower) to smell nice and dry off before going to work. you be the judge!

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
that's one cool pigeon

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Echidna and Typhon are the real classical power couple

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




tiamat/apsu

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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




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