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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



If they go way down into the shoe, at least 3/4, you can get some crazy advantage near the end once in a while but if they reshuffle halfway down it’s not worth your time.

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Baddog
May 12, 2001

Midjack posted:

If they go way down into the shoe, at least 3/4, you can get some crazy advantage near the end once in a while but if they reshuffle halfway down it’s not worth your time.

This is a good point. Vegas strip usually cuts off 1.5 out of a 6 deck shoes. Some places are better, down to just 1.

RapturesoftheDeep
Jan 6, 2013

StarkRavingMad posted:

So in reality, is it worth trying to count with a six (or more) deck shoe?

It definitely can be-- a shoe game with good rules and penetration can offer a bigger advantage than a double-deck game where conditions are bad, and it has the added advantage of making it more difficult to detect counting (since you're not wildly varying your bets and strategy every few hands). But the rules are a lot worse now than when I played 12-15 years ago, and in a lot of places you can't just come up to a table mid-shoe and start betting big (which was a big percentage of my advantage).

Also, the flipside of having longer stretches of good cards is that you can have longer stretches of bad cards. You have to have a lot of discipline to keep playing when you spend all day going from lousy deck to lousy deck. Also, playing a shoe game usually involves a bigger bet spread, so you can have way bigger wins and losses over a short period. I enjoyed that (randomly having $1000+ at stake on a single hand made me feel like I was on a game show), but not everybody does.

StarkRavingMad
Sep 27, 2001


Yams Fan
Thanks for the replies on that. So the follow up question, at what level of true count do you generally start raising your bets? I'm not really interested in trying the "illustrious 18" deviations since that seems likely to get flagged, just tinkering with the amounts I'm betting based on the count.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

StarkRavingMad posted:

Thanks for the replies on that. So the follow up question, at what level of true count do you generally start raising your bets? I'm not really interested in trying the "illustrious 18" deviations since that seems likely to get flagged, just tinkering with the amounts I'm betting based on the count.

You're positive with a true count of 1, but not by a lot. Personally I start doubling.

https://www.blackjackincolor.com/truecount2.htm

Baddog
May 12, 2001
Sundae said there was countable video blackjack at the MGM, not sure if its still there. Let me know if anyone goes and sees it! If its actually single or double deck and you can play all the hands at once....

This site says stratosphere has an almost even money game. If its countable as well, or even if they give decent comps (its the stratosphere tho)

https://www.onlineunitedstatescasinos.com/las-vegas/blackjack/video-blackjack/

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Baddog posted:

Sundae said there was countable video blackjack at the MGM, not sure if its still there. Let me know if anyone goes and sees it! If its actually single or double deck and you can play all the hands at once....

This site says stratosphere has an almost even money game. If its countable as well, or even if they give decent comps (its the stratosphere tho)

https://www.onlineunitedstatescasinos.com/las-vegas/blackjack/video-blackjack/

That seems wild that someone would go to the trouble of making a persistent deck computer game rather than going the easier and more profitable way of resetting after every hand.

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Baddog
May 12, 2001

Midjack posted:

That seems wild that someone would go to the trouble of making a persistent deck computer game rather than going the easier and more profitable way of resetting after every hand.

I think it does shuffle after every hand, but if it's single deck and you can play every seat...

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