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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Grand Moff Danhausen?



I like how there's all pictures of assorted crackpots and grifters, and then Garrett Wang is there.

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Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe
I don't know enough about the guy to really crack jokes, but this:

twistedmentat posted:

I like how there's all pictures of assorted crackpots and grifters, and then Garrett Wang is there.

and that it's a signed publicity photo do make a certain kind of suggestion

Though I have heard that his podcast where he shoots the poo poo with with Robert Duncan "Tom Paris" McNeill about Voyager is pretty good

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

Phy posted:

I don't know enough about the guy to really crack jokes, but this:

and that it's a signed publicity photo do make a certain kind of suggestion

Though I have heard that his podcast where he shoots the poo poo with with Robert Duncan "Tom Paris" McNeill about Voyager is pretty good

It is very good. They ran out of Voyager to watch so they invited Terry Farrell and Armin Shimerman to join and now they're doing DS9.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

I found their missing headshot.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!


Supreme Commander Thor enjoining his vacation in Roswell.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

So I know this thread is more for cryptids than ghost stuff, but I was tuning into a channel early before a bigfoot show and caught the end of a Ghost Adventures, so that's my tenuous link. Mostly I just wanted to share this because I've never seen such convincing evidence of a vicious paranormal attack.

https://i.imgur.com/CPJx8bj.mp4

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Knormal posted:

So I know this thread is more for cryptids than ghost stuff, but I was tuning into a channel early before a bigfoot show and caught the end of a Ghost Adventures, so that's my tenuous link. Mostly I just wanted to share this because I've never seen such convincing evidence of a vicious paranormal attack.

https://i.imgur.com/CPJx8bj.mp4

poo poo like that is why I love Ghost Adventures.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

McGavin posted:

poo poo like that is why I love Ghost Adventures.

"Spirit, if you're here ... kill Aaron!"

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Knormal posted:

So I know this thread is more for cryptids than ghost stuff, but I was tuning into a channel early before a bigfoot show and caught the end of a Ghost Adventures, so that's my tenuous link. Mostly I just wanted to share this because I've never seen such convincing evidence of a vicious paranormal attack.

https://i.imgur.com/CPJx8bj.mp4

That ghost is a jerk! Rubbing that poor guys head like it will grant him luck.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

twistedmentat posted:

That ghost is a jerk! Rubbing that poor guys head like it will grant him luck.

Do you know for sure rubbing the livings head dosen't grant ghosts luck?

Queer Grenadier
Jun 14, 2023

THIS GUY HAS A POOPY BOOM BOOM

HE NOT WARSHING HE HOLES LOL

Knormal posted:

So I know this thread is more for cryptids than ghost stuff, but I was tuning into a channel early before a bigfoot show and caught the end of a Ghost Adventures, so that's my tenuous link. Mostly I just wanted to share this because I've never seen such convincing evidence of a vicious paranormal attack.

https://i.imgur.com/CPJx8bj.mp4

Man just got possessed!

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
That Thylacine hunter from Tasmania who caused a stir back in 2021 making big promises about exciting new footage which turned out to be a complete dud just posted a new video of the Top 10 Thylacine Videos, with two new previously unseen videos which he's super excited about. Jump to 8:20 for the videos for the newest videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXCEsAh5rdI

I'm very much not convinced. :shrug:

He also slags off TV cryptid hunter Forrest Galante in the video description, lol

quote:

So many video clips of Thylacine's have been getting around for so many years now that I thought it was time for me to put the best of them all together in one clip. Two of the clips in this video have never been released on You Tube EVER before. You might be forgiven for thinking that some of this footage is worth big bucks, but there is no pot of gold in trying to film a Thylacine, contrary to popular belief. In late 2017/early2018, Forest Galante's Production company offered me $100 for the use of 4 of these clips. Naturally I declined their scabby offer. Even after they dug real deep a few months later and made another counter offer to me of $2000 for the use of only 2 of our video clips, (to be used in Forests now cancelled "program" Extinct or alive), now officially extinct, I still declined and said no to their offer. A man has to have some principles in life. As a result, when Forests show on the Thylacine went to air, he had zero visuals to work with and never really gained much traction. Since then he has made all sorts of outrageous claims to try and stay relevant and look useful. Hopefully Forest raises the money he needs to fund his trip to New Guinea so he can go and mix with the locals over there and maybe find Jesus instead. Recently he made the ridiculous claim that Nick Mooney told him that Nick had seen 2 Thylacine's from a tent once... Claims which Nick has now categorically denied...Anyway, I'm sure that fate will show its hand sooner or later and Forest will actually prove something other than his teeth are really shiny.... and that he needs $5,000,000 to fund his next "program". The best of luck to you Forest !!

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hellotoothpaste
Dec 21, 2006

I dare you to call it a perm again..

Knormal posted:

After talking about how unexplainable the shadow was for all that time they went back to the room and recreated the photo and the exact same shadow turned up again, I forget what the cause was but it was something like the camera flash reflecting off something at a weird angle. They all acknowledged this was the cause, case closed.

Then they just carried on ghost hunting with absolutely no self-reflection on what just happened.

At least this wasn’t what I expected, which was her actual shadow

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
Oh man I love "shadows which simply can't be explained by science!!!!11!!!!"

Here's a classic:

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Here's the key moment in the recent Expedition Bigfoot episode where a 'cloaked' invisible bigfoot runs from right to left immediately in front of them and casts a shadow on the cliff face behind it!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P96NfnW17g

They freaked the gently caress out about this and couldn't sleep that night and just wouldn't stop talking about it and they spent a large chunk of the next episode talking about it as well. They did all the usual reality TV things of slowing down the footage and zooming in and 'enhancing' and they kept saying stuff like "I can't prove it but instinctually I know that was the shadow of a bigfoot!!!" and "As a scientist I just can't explain what I saw!!!"

It's the shadow of the tiny reed immediately in front of them in the bottom left corner of the screen, projected onto the canyon wall so it's the size of a tall figure. Someone to the left of camera is shining a really strong light on the reed and when they moved to the right it made the shadow jump to the left, and when the woman in the shot shines her torch on the same spot the shadow 'disappears' because the light from her torch washes it out.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

He also slags off TV cryptid hunter Forrest Galante in the video description, lol
That show actually had some results, unlike every other cryptid-hunting show ever, so that seems like a weird target. But what would the cryptid community be without vicious in-fighting?

No jaw-dropping discoveries or anything, but they rediscovered some lost subspecies and had some other interesting finds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_or_Alive

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Knormal posted:

No jaw-dropping discoveries or anything, but they rediscovered some lost subspecies and had some other interesting finds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_or_Alive

Some of those 'rediscoveries' also included in-fighting and back stabbing, lol

quote:

No confirmed live tortoises nor remains were found on Fernandina until an expedition in February 2019 discovered a potential endling, an elderly female. The tortoise was transferred to a breeding center on nearby Santa Cruz Island, for the purpose of conservation and genetic tests. There are efforts being made to find a suitable male breeding mate for the female.

The 2019 expedition was undertaken by the Galapagos National Park Directorate and Galapagos Conservancy and was led by Washington Tapia-Aguilera— Director of Conservation at the Galapagos Conservancy and director of the Giant Tortoise Restoration Initiative — and included four rangers: Jeffreys Málaga, Eduardo Vilema, Roberto Ballesteros, and Simon Villamar. The search and discovery were shown in Forrest Galante's television show, Extinct or Alive (season 2, episode 1). While some accounts have credited Galante with the discovery, this is disputed by Tapia-Aguilera who has highlighted that "Ecuadorian park ranger Jeffreys Málaga was the one that knew the land, tracked the tortoise, and ultimately made the discovery before calling over the rest of the team."

Galante himself wrote in his 2021 memoir that Málaga spotted the tortoise, prompting Galante to race toward it and lift it up. He continued to accuse Tapia-Aguilera of erasing Galante’s own involvement in the discovery to bolster his career, and said he’d have been glad to give the local biologists the lead and share credit with them had they asked. The Galapagos Conservancy has reportedly launched further expeditions to Fernandina Island searching for a male tortoise, rebuffing Galante’s attempts to collaborate again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernandina_Island_Gal%C3%A1pagos_tortoise#Discovery_and_rediscovery

..... and quite a few of them had already been rediscovered recently. Miller's langur had been sighted 7 years earlier, the Pondicherry shark had been sighted 3 years earlier, the Rio Apaporis caiman had been spotted a year earlier, etc etc..

His biggest win was probably when he got trailcam footage of a Zanzibar leopard but that's been disputed

quote:

In 2018, a leopard was recorded on Unguja Island by a camera trap set during filming of the Animal Planet series Extinct or Alive. Some authorities do not consider this video to be reliable evidence due to the exact locality of the video being unknown, and few reliable sources have picked up on it. However, its author (Forrest Galante) has defended its authenticity. Although the footage definitely shows a leopard, the exact pattern of rosettes remains unclear, and it could be a feral African leopard introduced to Zanzibar. DNA evidence may be the only way to verify this video.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Knormal posted:

Somewhere early in the chupacabra mythos this got posted as a photo of a chupacabra despite looking more like a Boglin:

I always figured it helped serve as as halfway point between the vaguely humanoid original chupacabra and the mangy dogs that usually get associated with it now. If you accept this as the "true" look of the creature I can see how you could justify to yourself how the original witness misinterpreted a quick view of this as the grey-alien-with-spikes thing as they have a few features in common (big almond-shaped eyes, flat nose, three-fingered hands), but also find commonalities with a decaying dog corpse.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

I've been trying to look into it and the earliest internet copies of that image I can find are from 2008, although that's not conclusive. Curiously, one of the very earliest images I could find seemed to be from a Japanese magazine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070920195100/http://ryou.blog2.petitmall.jp/blog-date-200703.html

..... which looks like it had the caption チュパカブラ which google translate says is Japanese for "chupacabra" so that doesn't help much!

But I did also find this 1996 webpage about chupacabras which is an amazing internet time capsule: http://www.princeton.edu/~accion/chupa21.html
[snip]

Huh, I went back and did another search for this and actually made some headway. This site and several others claimed that the image was first uploaded to the internet on Art Bell's old homepage back in 1996 after it was mailed in by a fan of his radio show, claiming it was a real photo but it was later "exposed as a statue from a museum exhibit."
I haven't been able to track down any info about the museum yet

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Charles Ford
Nov 27, 2004

The Earth is a farm. We are someone else’s Ford Focus.
I'm not convinced as to the quality of this infographic, since I know there's been a few bigfoot sightings in the Bay Area (e.g. Mt. Diablo, Santa Cruz Mountains, and maybe Daly City but I may be misremembering a werewolf report for that one) and yet they have the Giants in the 0 section there.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Charles Ford posted:

I'm not convinced as to the quality of this infographic, since I know there's been a few bigfoot sightings in the Bay Area (e.g. Mt. Diablo, Santa Cruz Mountains, and maybe Daly City but I may be misremembering a werewolf report for that one) and yet they have the Giants in the 0 section there.

They seem to be using this map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1PX4dE4ZRFR8pEnc2xHATGQe1rDA&hl=en_US&ll=43.7195047299731%2C-120.38671820455653&z=8

.... which is ridiculously underpopulated. The BFRO has nearly 500 reported sightings for the state of California: https://www.bfro.net/GDB/state_listing.asp?state=ca

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Kosmo Gallion
Sep 13, 2013
Can we post UFOs here? Or more specifically, UFO hoaxes?

Probably my favourite UFO story of all time is the Guardian UFO encounter.

In 1989, The Canadian UFO Research Network (CUFORN) started receiving mysterious packages from somebody calling themselves “Guardian”. The parcels contained information about a UFO crash in West Carleton, Ontario, and there were also some bad photocopies and pictures of an obviously fake alien included. Most in CUFORN dismiss it as a hoax, but eventually they send a UFO researcher named Graham Lightfoot to investigate.

Lightfoot is very thorough and is able to find the location of the supposed crash, as well as uncover several witnesses, the most prominent being Diane Labenek. Labenek says that on the night of November 4, 1989 she saw an intense, bright light pass overhead, heading toward a swamp at the far end of the field behind, and south, of her home near Manion Corners on Old Almonte Road. Labenek claimed she had witnessed the UFO craft crash land in a field near her house. Labenek also says she'd seen several helicopters earlier that evening using bright lights to scan the area.

Lightfoot interviews other witnesses who report animals acting strangely that night, but most of them didn’t see any UFO or even recall anything unusual about that night at all. Lightfoot inspects the crash site but cannot find any evidence that shows a UFO crashed there. Lightfoot reports back to CUFORN that there’s no evidence to prove or disprove the sighting, and the case is shelved.

Fast forward to October 1991 and CUFORN receives more packages from somebody identifying as Guardian. The packages are full of polaroids of Flying Saucers and aliens, fabricated military records and documents, as well as insane writings about conspiracy theories regarding red China being supplied UFO technology by the Greys. CUFORN again dismisses it but there is something else interesting in these packages - a video tape and a map. The video tape has a green label, on which is a single fingerprint.

When CUFORN plays the tape they see footage filmed by a handheld video camera. The footage shows an alleged UFO landing in a field in West Carleton. There’s bright flashing lights, flares and all kinds of nonsense. CUFORN decided to return to West Carleton and investigate again, but opted to wait until spring to follow the map to the place where the footage was filmed.

CUFORN is contacted by an independent UFO investigator Bob Oechsler. Oechsler is a divisive figure in the world of UFOs - he studied the Gulf Breeze UFO sighting, declaring that to be real when in fact it was fake. Oechsler had also received a package from Guardian with the same videotape, although Oechsler’s tape had additional footage - including that of an alien autopsy. CUFORN put Oechsler in touch with Lightfoot and the two, along with a small group of others, travelled to West Carleton in March 1992 to investigate this new sighting.

The party were suspicious of Oechsler straight away, he seems to know his way around too well, considering he had never even been to West Carleton. Oechsler also spends too much time looking for the crash site instead of finding and interviewing witnesses, and keeps rambling on about magnetic anomalies in the group’s compasses which will show them the way.

Eventually the group gives up searching for the crash site, as the swamp terrain is making things difficult and it’s getting dark. The group split up and headed to a diner, leaving Oechsler and his son still searching for the site. An hour later, Oechsler arrives at the diner saying he’s found the crash site! The group are suspicious of how quickly Oechsler was able to find the site, considering how they had all struggled in the dark and terrible conditions. The group decide to back away from the investigation and return to Toronto because Oechsler is making them feel uncomfortable.

Oechsler and Lightfoot check out the landing site and Oechsler is seemingly overexcited, fabricating his own evidence and generally not knowing anything about what he should be looking for. He is certain that dug up portions of grass are where the landing gear disturbed the terrain, and that dry and brittle vegetation has obviously been irradiated by the craft’s engines, despite not having any instruments capable of detecting radiation. Lightfoot contacts CUFORN and relays his suspicions about Oechsler being incompetent and trying to steer the investigation to suit his own ends.

Only Lightfoot and Oechsler interview Diane Labenek from the 1989 sighting and see what she has to say. Labenek claims that, as well as the ‘89 sighting, she’d also witnessed the events that were recorded on the Guardian videotape in 1991. She saw a fire or flares, and an alien craft landed in the field outside her house. The lights on the craft “turned off” and then all the flares “went out”. After this, an unmarked helicopter hovered over the area for a few minutes, looking for something and then flew away.

Labenek is able to draw the craft and it matches a drawing of the craft in one of the Guardian packages and claims that she wasn’t the only witness to the UFO landing, but she cannot recall the names of any of these witnesses when pressed.

Oechsler then contacts the TV show Unsolved Mysteries and gets a segment on the Guardian UFO encounter - despite Lightfoot requesting that they gather more information before contacting the media. Lightfoot is wary of Oechsler and is reluctant to appear on the show, but is eventually persuaded to. Oeschler also sells “his” story to the TV show Sightings, even though he was contractually obligated by Unsolved Mysteries not to.

During the filming of the episode, Lightfoot is contacted by a witness who claims to know Guardian’s real identity. The witness says that Guardian is really a man named Bobby Charlebois, a local UFO enthusiast who has used the nickname Guardian in the past. Oechsler then comes up with several harebrained schemes to collect Charlebois fingerprints and match them to the fingerprint on the Guardian tape to prove that Charlebois is Guardian, however he isn’t able to get them. Oechsler urges the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to charge Charlebois with forging military documents so he can get his fingerprints that way but the RCMP have got more important things to do.

Diane Labenek admits to knowing Bobby Charlebois and considers him a good friend. Labenek then claims that her mother had also recently seen a UFO (a third sighting) but was too scared to tell anyone, and that her husband had also witnessed a craft in the same location but at a different time (a fourth sighting). Oechsler ignores these new sightings and focuses only on the Guardian video tape sighting, much to the annoyance of Lightfoot. Labenek then lodges a complaint about the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and goes on TV saying that they are putting pressure on her to say that the UFO that landed in her field was actually just a helicopter and there is a cover up happening.

A year passes, during which Oechsler has been giving talks about the Guardian case on the UFO circuit and making bank. He has even been selling copies of the Guardian UFO event, something he doesn’t exactly have the rights for. In 1994, Oechsler “retires” from the UFO community, citing in-fighting, libel and slander as his reasons - he basically says the UFO fandom is one big dick measuring contest.

MUFON Ontario release a statement condemning Oechsler:

quote:

“Robert Oechsler, a man whose motives in the field are at best mercenary. He has at one point or another involved himself in virtually every aspect of ufology. Mr. Oechsler has been variously described as a clown, a fraud and even a con-man - in 1991 he attempted to involve several of his then friends in the UFO field in some sort of bizarre pyramid scheme in which participants were to send him money via Federal Express (so as to avoid federal laws governing mail fraud – telling at least one associate that he intended to make several hundred thousand dollars . . . Mr. Oechsler has also made a series of fantastic claims concerning his alleged discoveries of various secret government UFO related projects including an operational anti-gravity chamber, sophisticated anti-alien defence installations, a wide-ranging program to educate the general public as to the reality of the UFO phenomenon and others too tedious to detail here . . . It is virtually certain that most if not all of Mr. Oechsler's claims are fraudulent and he has intimated to Walt Andrus, International Director of the Mutual UFO Network, that he fabricated at least some of the material.”

Lightfoot receives a 1990 report from a West Carleton town official. The official was a municipal by-laws inspector who was photographing “military-style” signs that had appeared around Diane Labenek’s property, the fields etc. The signs appeared to be hand made and were definitely not official.

The official then describes an encounter with a man named Pavel Farfara, who says he is Diane Labenek’s nephew. Farfara describes how he’s heard about the signs and knows all about the military presence and the UFOs that have been landing on his aunt’s property. Farfara also owns an older model white pick-up truck, which looks similar in size and shape to the “craft” in the Guardian video.

CUFORN and Lighfoot theorise that, because Farfara was a university student in Ottawa and had an interest in computer bulletin boards, then he may have been responsible for sending the Guardian packages. The Carleton University faculty, UFO groups, and individual researchers all received the Guardian material because all the recipient's names and addresses were being circulated on the International Computer Networks.

CUFORN sent more investigators in March 1994 to interview the neighbours of the Labeneks and they came across a shed filled with these homemade military signs, which the Labenek’s claim to have had no knowledge of until they first started seeing them in 1993. CUFORN believes that the Labenek’s are lying. Another witness Susan Gill comes forward to corroborate this entire mess but this post is already too long, so I will finish with MUFON’s summing up of the events. There is plenty more information out there in this fascinating story and I find it more interesting that this was almost certainly a hoax rather than an actual UFO encounter.

quote:

1) The Labaneks, Bobby Charlebois, Pavel Farfara and possibly others were involved in creating a Hoax video and distributing it as a recording of a 'UFO landing'.
2) That Susan Gill's story was used to pad the Carp event, even though her 'event' occurred (if at all) at a different time.
3) Oechsler used his manipulative ability to build a story even though he knew of the circumstances and exactly what was going on and together with Bruce Maccabee, intentionally misled the public, the media and ufology using unethical means, and bad judgement in order to benefit financially and personally.
4) That the Guardian video of a 'UFO landing' has, after analysis, proved inconclusive and likely is either a pick-up truck or (according to the RCMP investigation) a helicopter.

Here are some links with much more detail than my OP.

The Unsolved Mysteries episode featuring Guardian, Oeschler, Lightfoot and Labenek - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNScA-cCGH4

A huge info dump on the Guardian UFO case - https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects34.htm

A documentary featuring Ian Rogers, one of the people who investigated with Oeschler and Lightfoot - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF37oopSLFM

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