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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Sindai posted:

It's rad that they changed the entire credits to drop that bomb.

Wait did I miss something?

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Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

Raenir Salazar posted:

Wait did I miss something?
Try watching the credits while matching it up against the knowledge we have been given (up to this point) about the relationship between shadows and faces.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Nate RFB posted:

Try watching the credits while matching it up against the knowledge we have been given (up to this point) about the relationship between shadows and faces.

I'm not too sure what it's implying. Is it Dolls absorb their shadows and become some sort Shadow doll hybrid, or the reverse? Or is what Edward did unique?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Kung Food posted:

I'm not too sure what it's implying. Is it Dolls absorb their shadows and become some sort Shadow doll hybrid, or the reverse? Or is what Edward did unique?

There's definitely some hybrid thing going on with Edward but at this point, it's unclear as to who's in the pilot's seat for that and if it's merely a one off. I should get revealed as to the extent in the next ep or two, I think

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Oh nice, I partially called it!

Quoting myself from earlier:

Raenir Salazar posted:

When they started singing I immediately got oompa loompa vibes.

Wasn't aware there's a manga, I might check it out.

Thoughts as a anime only viewer:

Wrong though was kinda in the right direction with the fairy tale thing
-The shadows I am assuming as a visualization of the family's sin. They appear to be powerful wealthy nobles, it's unclear to me if thats a normal fixture of the world but my assumption is a Beauty & the Beast situation where their whole family was probably cursed long ago to lose their faces, probably a punishment for vanity.

Seems like I was right on both counts!
-My assumption is the shot glasses with the dark liquid is some kind of amnesia/brainwashing potion. They take in people from the outside world like in the TV show dollhouse (apropos) with desired personalities and wipe their memories to make them servants. However by the end of this episode my thinking has evolved a bit that maybe they actually regularly wipe the memories of the Servants/dolls when they begin to Know Too Much.

Seems like I was right on them being actual humans; kinda right about the class themes but missed the literal brainwashing of the peasants by the vampiric nobility
-Touched upon above but I refuse to believe the "dolls" are like homunculi, they're presumably actual human beings and there's maybe themes of class and social strata disparity being on; "servants" the lower classes are not seen as human by the noble/aristocratic class. And the "servants" are willing to subliminate themselves and bend the knee into the dirt (or soot in this case) if it means being a big fish in a small pond and get to have power over people even lower in the social hierarchy then them.

Hahaha wow, bingo. I'm surprised at how correct I was on this.
-I wonder how much of the ability to talk/mimic their Master's expression/movements/mannerisms is magic vs training; and how in-sync it can be, and makes me wonder if the scene back in Episode 1 with the peacock haired girl is actually meant to tell us what peacock hair's shadow is feeling (rage/hatred towards Kate/Emil). As an addendum it presumably says something that Emil is basically her own person and is completely independent from Kate and hasn't shown any sign of being able to do so, and based on the conversation in Episode 2 this is presumably a problem with Kate/Kate's fault.


No answer to this yet, its a mystery!
-I wonder what the heck is up with the post credits scene at the end with Mia(?)'s room being covered with soot, do the shadows visit their doll's rooms? Is it Mia's shadow that did it to show her displeasure? I assume its Mia's room and not Emil's; which implies that for whatever reason all the dolls feel the need to write down the information of how to care for the shadows which implies all of them get their memories wiped eventually? Did a different shadow trash Mia's room and why?

Cool series, I like the mystery.

Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jun 20, 2021

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
It didn't really come together for me until the first episode of the anime shoved the train and coal at you in the very beginning, but now I get more of an industrial revolution vibe from the whole thing, where the upper class are literally parasites sustained by sacrificing the children of the workers. And that upper class uses the power of "soot," which is a malignant force even when not actively being wielded by them.

Sindai fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jun 20, 2021

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Sindai posted:

It didn't really come together for me until the first episode of the anime shoved the train and coal at you in the very beginning, but now I get more of an industrial revolution vibe from the whole thing, where the upper class are literally parasites sustained by sacrificing the children of the workers. And that upper class uses the power of "soot," which is a malignant force even when not actively being wielded by them.

There's something I dunno "ironic"? That the soot brainwashing might just be lead poisoning from the toxins from burning coal.

e to add: I think something else though that's not quite right is that it's the industrial revolution that ultimately shakes off the old rule of the aristocracy. Between the shift to constitutional monarchies or otherwise outright revolutions as a result of World War 1; maybe you could say they are "reap"ing the benefits of the industrial revolution as represented by their soot powers and coal. I think another interesting way to look at it is that maybe they came into power quite recently; with the Grandfather figuring out how to turn the Fey soot creatures into "people" aka a sort of living machine, their duplication leading to more power and wealth i.e mass production. Like a Henry Ford or Alfred Nobel like figure, figuring out a new method and then exploiting it for wealth and power. Literally a "coal" baron!

The soot also I don't think is inherently malignant; the soot coals they provide the workers is malignant, but its probably mixed in with the coal they mine themselves. A sort of poison; I'm not sure where that fits in as a thematic metaphor for something, maybe something like the noblisse oblige being fake? Afterall the newly born shadows seem quite often to have very human morals and morality; they seem like very neutral creatures who are raised/conditioned into buying in the propaganda of the Shadows House hierarchy or risk being dissolved?

Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 20, 2021

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

apparently they're doing an anime-original ending? this series wasn't likely to get a s2 anyway so it's not a big deal but you could definitely feel it pivot out of the normal pacing/progression here

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Tales of Woe posted:

apparently they're doing an anime-original ending? this series wasn't likely to get a s2 anyway so it's not a big deal but you could definitely feel it pivot out of the normal pacing/progression here

Hrm, with what we know and what they maybe intend to do I can't see them wrapping it up with one episode.

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

there are two more episodes

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
I wound up falling off the show due a combination of real life commitments, E3 week, and honestly just being so much more interested and invested in the current manga arc than seeing the debut again even as cool as it was (also lots of little changes here and there that were a little deflating). It would be a big shame even if expected if it did an anime original ending because it's been such a good story post all of this.

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



I'm hoping for an anime-original climax that doesn't affect any potential further seasons too drastically, it should be fairly straightforward to do something like that with this set-up.

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

A second season of the anime has been announced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R74bHNoBiLc
https://twitter.com/somatoma/status/1436645939897192448

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?


Didn't it have an anime original ending? How hard would it to fix the change in story?

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


The anime ending didn't really change anything plot wise just was more a cut off point. Show should easily be able to get into more of the manga

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
The only major thing it skipped was the "ghost" and that's not a hard thing to fix

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy
For something this interesting, I'm surprised how little attention Shadows House got (that I was aware of at least). I still wouldn't know anything about it if I hadn't been laying around after work a few days ago and then remembered mention of a potentially interesting anime about shadow doppelgangers or something. I figure it's because it's not on Crunchyroll and there's little to no fanservice. Then again, it must have been reasonably popular, or how did it get a second season? Even this thread is super short.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
No idea why myself either.

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

it ran in the most stacked season in recent history and is a slow-burn story.

though tbh every season has a couple good shows that don't catch on here. this one at least had a thread at all

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya
The Mushishi thread only ever hit around 6 pages, even though it would rate as an all-time classic for lots of posters.

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy
The manga's good at least, and not hard to find. I haven't gotten to this part of the anime yet, but this page might be my favorite so far.


I love it so much and I hope the anime does it justice. It's also an ideological victory, in a way. This is the moment Kate and Em win, and everything after that is formality. And this page is how we know Kate will get her revolution. (spoiled because I don't know when or if the anime mentions this).

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
Bumping this thread in the middle of the new season.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth
Thanks, I completely forgot this was happening. First season was decent, how's this one going?

narm00
Feb 18, 2006
It assumes you've seen S1 - no recap or anything - but aside from that there's no real drop in quality.

Also, John continues to be a himbo who doesn't bother thinking things through.

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

the vacuum episode owned

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
How did they resolve the changes from the end of S1 or did they not get around to it?

I'm in the same sort of problem I had with S1 where I'm super invested in the current manga chapters so I'd rather just come back to the anime when it's all out rather than feel compelled to follow it weekly.

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

there were no changes to resolve, it was a self-contained arc that didn't change the status quo

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
Didn't they completely axe the mysterious shadowy figure that they meet up with at night? That was a catalyst for a lot of the next few big story beats.

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
They did, but that was from a while before the anime-only stuff, near the start of the manga.

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narm00
Feb 18, 2006

Nate RFB posted:

Didn't they completely axe the mysterious shadowy figure that they meet up with at night? That was a catalyst for a lot of the next few big story beats.

It got reintroduced for the relevant story beats in S2.

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