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Drowning In Terror posted:Warfare is largely about adaptation, yet humans have made zero effort here to adapt against what appears to be a very static opponent. Well, I mean, that’s the point of the time-travel conceit. Either the characters literally cannot change, ever, or what the characters understand as a singular future is actually in constant flux as every return trip changes events. These return trips have been happening daily for, like, months - and this doesn’t necessarily result in progress. After one trip, information that was once vital might no longer apply. In this scenario, the characters know very little at all because they’re having to re-learn thirty years’ worth of new alt-history per day. And even then, leaders are clearly afraid to change ‘too much’, as it might cause them to lose access to the time machine or whatever. Add to this the fact that the ‘Queen’ seems to know way more than she should. Like, how does she know what the green stuff is, of it was only just invented? Can she ‘see’ outside of time or something? They may not be that static at all.
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Feldegast42 posted:yeah lol removing jesus would remove islam as well At least Zoroastrianism would likely have survived. I could have the sky burial I so desire
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I love how dumb this movie is in a broad sense, but one micro thing still bugs me: Oh poo poo an enormous alien ship half buried=> we must cut into it with cool third act weapon gag=> cuts perfectly into a spot with human sized walkways, and not like a structural element or mop closet rack. It’s absolutely a dumb thing I would put into my movie without ever thinking about it. At least show them approaching a door-like structure.
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Sedgr posted:
This list was hilarious and true. The film was super dumb in so many ways. I still enjoyed it though and it was better than I expected despite nothing making any sense. henpod fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 15:14
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meanolmrcloud posted:I love how dumb this movie is in a broad sense, but one micro thing still bugs me: *starts to cut into the surface of the ship, ship explodes instantly killing everyone, smash cut to another team who are now the main focus of the film*
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Jul 20, 2021 11:17
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Loved the OP. At some point I might watch this with my best bud. Bad movies are fun with friends. The way the whole time travel stuff is described makes me think that in one of the dozens scripts this thing was glued together from, the future people were bad guys who lied to the past people to dupe them into coming back and then force them into slavery or something.
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Jul 20, 2021 13:10
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Nah, it's pretty clear that the people of the present are the villains. It's just incredibly muddled if they are a bunch of assholes or if they are being punished for being assholes.
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Do we need to spoil anything now? I don't feel like the movie deserves it but whatever Okay so I hate this movie a lot. Like A LOT. Way more than most lovely action movies because the budget and scope are so massive, the cast is reasonably high-profile and all of it is squandered on the dumbest poo poo I've seen in years. Instead of bitching for paragraphs, I just want to say that they had a real opportunity that was wasted. After they capture the queen you almost get a glimmer of being sympathetic to her/them because she's chained, sedated and essentially tortured. Then you find out later that they are essentially shock troopers (maybe) for some other alien species that crashed on Earth and were (maybe) prepping for an invasion. Normally I like things to be kinda vague in sci-fi but they had a chance to pepper in elements that showed they were just scared animals with the big reveal at the end that they are livestock for some other beings. Then they study the ship, find a macguffin and placate the animals to end the war. I'm not a writer, whatever. That way you can still leave the door open for a sequel for when the "real" aliens show up to figure out why their food truck was delayed and springboard that in to a new type of story. gently caress this movie.
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BigglesSWE posted:Loved the OP. At some point I might watch this with my best bud. Bad movies are fun with friends. There's a note on the IMDB trivia that in an earlier version of the script the past soldiers were secretly injected with poison so that the aliens that ate them would die. I don't know if it's true or how it would have changed the movie but there is a definite sense in what we got that the future people are being cagey about the situation and there's some kind of scam going on. If they were basically throwing poisoned meat to the aliens then it would make sense why they don't really train them or prepare them to actually fight.
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Jul 20, 2021 18:33
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The most damning aspect of this movie is that every thought exercise about its premise or revealed script detail they omitted sounds more interesting than the thing they made. There's so much to this premise that could've been interesting or at least unique, and they flat-out refused to do any of it. Instead, we got the laziest and most disjointed story possible. The palest of imitations of several better blockbuster things, that isn't even joyful in the pastiche of it all. It's a bad movie that isn't even fun to watch. Independence Day, Starship Troopers, Live Die Repeat and Terminator are all better movies on every conceivable level, so why ever watch this one again?
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Starks posted:The whole movie actually feels like a video game cutscene After the first big action sequence at the end of the Miami scenes I had to pause and load up the starcraft 2 heart of the swarm opening cinematic, because it feels a lot like someone half-remembered that and decided to make a movie about it. Everything element of this movie was so stupid and ill-fitting that I kept assuming there had to be some additional twist that would set everything straight. No such luck.
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I was convinced that there had to be a twist because how in the name of all that is loving holy, upon discovering time travel, would your plan not be stop the bad thing from happening before it happens.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:To give the next of kin the payment. They said that on screen. I feel like this is an extremely bad movie and people are going crazy picking plot holes that were plainly explained instead of focusing on the extremely stupid parts. Yeah, definitely no sinister undertones related to the "uh you wouldn't want the money to go to the wrong person would you?" response that has no payoff later in the movie. A=A and all that.
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Jul 22, 2021 18:26
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Unoriginal Name posted:I was convinced that there had to be a twist because how in the name of all that is loving holy, upon discovering time travel, would your plan not be stop the bad thing from happening before it happens. It's pretty clear they are separate timelines, since future-daughter doesn't have memories of a worldwide draft and instead simply remembers her father moping off because he didn't get a job. Also if it is a stable loop you would immediately start dumping resources/research back in time to be worked on. There's an interesting premise in the concept of being the "past" selves receiving a huge resource/data dump every x period of time and things changing drastically between transmissions because of how they use the future resources. Honestly, I agree with everyone else talking about this having the feel of a Christian film that got a big budget thrown at it. The future portal being hell/rapture feels more coherent than what was actually presented.
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Jul 22, 2021 18:35
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I do wonder if the entire future part where he's hanging out with his daughter was the result of reshoots because neither of the established side characters are there for it (but show back up once it is over) and the entire thing has absolutely no bearing on the plot because he comes back with the toxin, nobody does anything with it and it doesn't help in the actual defeat of the aliens. Also the toxin stuff is nonsense as it works on the males but not the females, so they don't use it. Even though they point out that the majority of aliens are males.
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We can speculate as to reshoots quite a lot but, in the completed film, the toxin doesn’t need to actually work. It just needs to convince Pratt to smuggle a bunch of weapons to Siberia.
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Oh good I was hoping there'd be a thread for this, the dumbest movie I've ever seen. There aren't many movies I outright regret seeing but this one was appallingly stupid and I wish I hadn't. Anyone still on the fence, please don't make the mistake of thinking "this is dumb but probably the fun kind of dumb"; things like the GI Joe movies or Fast & Furious are the fun kind of dumb, watch those instead, this is just a waste of opportunity all around. Chris Pratt talking to his students about making a collective effort to save the future with science while a climate change report is literally playing on a screen next to him (during class, why) for anyone who hasn't got the analogy yet, except the movie is so muddled and refuses to engage with its themes so hard that the collective action is "we have to shoot climate change with our guns", until it turns out the aliens are literally frozen like methane deposits so it becomes more like SHOOT THE GREENHOUSE GASES YEEHAW There's traces of a lot of good movies in here; Alien, Starship Troopers, Terminator, to only name a few, except where those had a consistent plot and themes this has a Lifetime Christmas movie. The whole setup is a determinism nightmare. Future army has records on everyone's cause of death and tells them when they're going to die; 80% of their records are going to say "didn't return from the time travel tour." That alone could have been a great central theme: the moral implications of sending people to their violent deaths for no other reason than history shows you did, and that maybe the other 20% will do something worthwhile. also I swear to god when it came time to design the aliens someone pulled a bunch of animation assets from an unrealized Dungeons & Dragons project off their shelf and reskinned a Displacer Beast
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There were definitely opportunities for twists that could've turned it into an OK (maybe even good?) movie: - Chris Pratt could've caused the invasion by accidentally freeing the aliens from the ship - The "future people" could've known there are multiple timelines, and are recruiting people from timelines without alien invasions to fight their own invasion. - Hell, maybe it's not a time machine at all, it's a multiverse transit machine, hence the future people being so shady about everything. Whatever. I paused the movie after Chris timejumps back, and got angry that there was still 40 minutes left, then angrily watched the rest.
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So I give +5 (out of 10) to any movie involving warships, robot apocalypses, or alien invasions, especially if time travel is involved. So I actually liked this, even though it was clearly not as good as Edge of Tomorrow or even Independence Day. But Because of the +5 modifier I also liked (as in didn't regret watching) Battleship and Battle: Los Angeles so take that for what you will. It was better than the 5th Wave though, on account of not having the plot of an Outer Limits episode. So my thoughts on things that other people noticed here and elsewhere (not trying to defend it - maybe if you have to guess and fill in the blanks like I did it wasn't explained well enough): The future war still going 12 months after the 11 months "we will all be dead": Throwing tons of people into the future meat grinder must have only bought a month and a bit before the end of humanity. Which honestly makes the whole thing even more horrific. Why spend so little time on training: Because time in the present passes as the same rate as in the past (starting at the time the bridge was created), they need bodies in the meatgrinder altogether. I assume that all eligible military personnel of the world were expended by the time they switched to the draft, and the future's insatiable hunger for bodies was just that great. People sent to the future still in whatever they were wearing when they showed up: poo poo must have been so desperate that they were only outfitting people with the bare minimum possible before sending them. Deaths were awarded with $1,000,000 to the families, which is more money than the equipment would cost, but money is essentially just made up anyway and they must have been sending so many people that production was an issue. War protesters: When you're told there is a threat on the other side of the planet it's a hard thing to buy. When you're told that something may or may not actually happen in 25 years it's a bit harder to buy - combined with the massive human cost I can totally buy people protesting. 500,000 people left but only 50% of the military being eligible: It's possible that something super catastrophic happens if you send someone who is still alive in the destination time. So maybe they are making sure they absolutely only send people who are 100% confirmed to be dead, and not hiding out somewhere or among the remaining civilian population. How do they have so many planes and helicopters in an apocalypse situation: The aircraft were normal real-life things like Blackhawks and F-35s so maybe present day Earth was churning out as many as they could produce and sending them forward in time. (Edit: I went back to check and realized I didn't notice that the attack helicopters defending the sea fortress were futuristic things, not real-life helicopters, but the other aircraft were real-life things.) Humvee convoy showing up out of nowhere just to get owned: I assume that the convoy was meant to be the original escape plan for the research team and things were so hastily thrown together because of the emergency situation. The aliens are just animals, they shouldn't be able to defeat a military with air power: If they were able to overrun the sea fortress the way they did, nowhere is safe, not even aircraft carriers (and we saw the wreck of one, too.) Planes have to land sometime, and airfields will be vulnerable to them. No one wanted to believe Dan about the toxin and alien location: As far as everyone was concerned, the aliens won't be there for like 25 years but the world is on fire now. Dan's dad was shown with a prop plane in the hangar but they have a cargo plane: It's mentioned that he services C-130s so I assume he just decided to steal one of those. Where were the people who were evacuating the last outpost going: I assume to try to stave off death for any amount of time longer, even if it's only hours. gently caress dying if there's even a remote possibility, IMO. Why not search for the alien ship from air: I assume that there would only be a limited time until interceptors show up, assuming Russia is in shape to patrol its airspace. WTF cruise ships?: If you need to evacuate people to the sea I can't think of a better place to put people than a massive ship designed to carry and take care of large numbers of people for long periods. Though with all the people you can see crowded on the decks it was probably like hell on board one of them. How did Dan's father know about the aliens smelling blood: There would have been plenty of time to tell him how the aliens work and how to fight them on the way to Russia. The toxin is a really lame superweapon: I'm assuming they'd aerosolize it and spray it from air instead of injecting it one by one. Can you or can't you change the future?: I assume you can change the future but things that happen in the present won't be reflected in the future that it has been bridged to, but will take place in another timeline altogether. So the alien apocalypse future will always been an alien apocalypse, and a new timeline arises from the events that take place in the present following the time travel bridge being created. My thought on weird things or plot holes: They said he'd be gone one week but there was to be one week of training and a one week tour of duty for a total of two weeks. Before the "time passes in the present and future at the same rate" bit was explained I thought that the return trip of the survivors would have been seconds (in the present) after their departure. So to observers, the draftees leave for the future and a few moments later the survivors appear in the same place. In that case, the total time away for survivors in the present would be one week. But that isn't how it worked! (This is honestly the most minor thing but it makes me wonder if the time travel mechanics were changed and this was an oversight.) Miami on fire was a cool visual but how did the fires even happen? (I guess if it was like the last city of humanity and the aliens had just swarmed it, there might have been damage that caused electrical fires, and recent use of heavy weapons causing collateral damage, but wouldn't there be a fuckton more aliens out and about if it was that bad?) Who popped the red smoke for the airstrikes? Why was the research lab in just a normal building in the middle of the city? Why not send samples back in time and do the research in an environment with more resources that you don't have to protect? I felt like there was going to be a much bigger theme of PTSD than there ended up being. Supposedly only Dan, Charlie, and Dorian survived from the wave that was sent out but there were many more people pulled back in time at the end of the tour. Escaping from the nest in the Humvees and just sort of ending up at the beach with no urgency was a bit of a letdown when I was expecting a chase sequence. A C-130 seems like a bit of an ask to sneak into Russian airspace. (I guess maybe the world being in chaos was a factor though.) I can buy these aliens overrunning an aircraft carrier or warship and killing everyone inside, but I do wonder how they managed to actually tear it apart. There had to have been a better way to capture the queen than just lassoing her. No one invented powered exoskeletons in 25 years? (Or would that be too derivative of Aliens?) IMO they should have just blown up the ship to begin with if they even had that many explosives. I guess they thought that it was just that one set of alien sacs, but the lack of a queen in their number should probably have been a hint that there were more to be found. In the category of "if they did this there wouldn't be a movie" but: Why not just evacuate all eligible people from the future with whatever knowledge and samples they can, and prepare Earth for the invasion? (It's possible that they think humanity would be boned in that case, even with 25 years of preparation, unless they buy enough time in the future to develop the toxin. If they abandoned the future as soon as the bridge was made, they would never have had a queen to collect samples from to finalize the toxin.) IMO not as nonsensical as some people found it, even if it's not the best thing I've ever seen. Good visuals. Very tonally inconsistent - I feel like there's always some room for levity, but it got a little silly during the Miami scene when the characters were the tiny number of survivors from a botched drop into Hell on Earth. I actually outright hated how the escape from the queen's nest via humvee was the end of that and wasn't part of a chase scene. What seemed like a multi-generational PTSD theme - Vietnam, Iraq, and then the war against the Whitespikes - was thrown away instead of built upon. Edit: I thought that the visuals of the sea fortress and the later battle in it were pretty cool - it felt suitably apocalyptic for the last stand of the human race. I also thought the fight against the alien queen on the icefield was pretty good. Not the best fight I've ever seen in a movie, but better than the other close-quarters fight scenes in this movie. Also had a bit more meaning to it with the father and son teamup. Maybe it was a little too perfect and tied-up-with-a-bow-on-top, but I liked the ending. Re: the religious theming, I didn't notice as much because I wasn't on the lookout for it. But the time travel to the future scene 100% looked like a depiction of people being raptured to me. BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Time travel is ruined and Pratt has the toxin in the past but somehow no one can think of any reason this might be helpful. Pratt even gets to keep the toxin its so worthless now. As quoted. This was s very Bad but still Watchable movie but this part really takes me out of it. I don't know why. But it just took me out. I had to remind and watch it again.
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First question does anyone know why the hell the quality of Amazon’s downloads are such absolute poo poo? Like it’s compressed to hell and back. Affi posted:Time travel is ruined and Pratt has the toxin in the past but somehow no one can think of any reason this might be helpful. Pratt even gets to keep the toxin its so worthless now. Yeah just one of the many wtf parts of this movie. The toxin seems pretty good at killing the males why not use bullets made of that? gently caress this stupid movie.
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The movie is so dumb that it takes an unpredictable quality, since no plot development is moored to the idea that it should make any sense. Until finally it's just utterly predictable and that's the joke.
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