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Smythe posted:thank u sorry I would go annoy the other forum with stuff like this but I'm thread banned from the thread for discussing it because I was mean to the OP lol
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Lib and let die posted:OP there's actually some merit to the idea that the transmission method or medium of information is just as powerful, if not more powerful than, the message being transmitted via that medium. In the 1960's, Canadian Media Professor Marshall McLuhan proposed in his book Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man that the media itself, not the content itself is more influential on a society than any message it carries. He would also classify mediums as "hot" or "cold" mediums, based on whether some receiver engagement was expected or not. Other forums will laud the Shannon-Weaver model as an unassailable bastion of media analysis, but McLuhan saw that model as being tied to a necessary notion of efficient causality that was largely undone when the definition of efficient causality it is based upon was revealed to have been due to an early print-era mistranslation of Aristotle's idea of efficient causality. the medium is the message hth
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Lib and let die posted:OP there's actually some merit to the idea that the transmission method or medium of information is just as powerful, if not more powerful than, the message being transmitted via that medium. In the 1960's, Canadian Media Professor Marshall McLuhan proposed in his book Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man that the media itself, not the content itself is more influential on a society than any message it carries. He would also classify mediums as "hot" or "cold" mediums, based on whether some receiver engagement was expected or not. Other forums will laud the Shannon-Weaver model as an unassailable bastion of media analysis, but McLuhan saw that model as being tied to a necessary notion of efficient causality that was largely undone when the definition of efficient causality it is based upon was revealed to have been due to an early print-era mistranslation of Aristotle's idea of efficient causality. This is an interesting way to look at it, and there's one particular place where I think it's worth probing the difference not just between "the internet" and other forms of media, but within internet communication types. In particular, comparing a forum like this one to "social media". Of course you can see an oldschool web 1.0 internet forum like this as a form of social media. It's a medium where we're social with each other. But it departs from "social media" as we think of it today (facebook, twitter, tiktok, instagram, etc.) in a few clear ways, not least of which is that there's no behind-the-scenes prioritization of anything other than maybe recency, i.e., the default view for a forum on SA is to see stickied threads first and then threads sorted by most recent post. A thread with a million replies will get shunted below a thread with one reply if that one reply was made more recently, there's no algorithm sorting which threads you see and saying "this one with a million replies is clearly driving more engagement with the site so I'll push it to the top", it's just sorting by last post. This remains one of my favourite things about SA, it's set up for people to interact with each other and not for people to game an algorithm to get their things prioritized. There's no like or +/- post rating system other than rating threads which doesn't do anything unless you're a deeply strange person who reads the forum sorted by thread rating, and so there's nothing for the forum to prioritize except what the users themselves prioritize by posting a lot. There's a real contrast with the engagement-driven radicalization engine of something like facebook or twitter or youtube that recognizes what drives greater engagement regardless of its content and pushes it towards more people to make it more popular so that people will spend more time on the site. Or, put another way, we radicalize ourselves here instead of letting a computer do it for us.
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Lib and let die posted:sorry I would go annoy the other forum with stuff like this but I'm thread banned from the thread for discussing it because I was mean to the OP lol i liked the post
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Smythe posted:i liked the post oh i was expecting a bunch more 'didn't reads' and stuff. you're a very hard read yourself, mr smythe. bit of a norm macdonald 'is he doing a bit or not? i just can't tell' kinda thing.
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The Saucer Hovers posted:the medium is the message hth I wrote A Lot of Words about this idea after all the AOC Met Gala stuff, when she tweeted out this statement. It's buried in the succ thread somewhere and I may go back and refine it, but she didn't do the idea justice, and really sort of perverted McLuhan's theories to shield herself from criticism. vyelkin posted:This is an interesting way to look at it, and there's one particular place where I think it's worth probing the difference not just between "the internet" and other forms of media, but within internet communication types. In particular, comparing a forum like this one to "social media". Of course you can see an oldschool web 1.0 internet forum like this as a form of social media. It's a medium where we're social with each other. But it departs from "social media" as we think of it today (facebook, twitter, tiktok, instagram, etc.) in a few clear ways, not least of which is that there's no behind-the-scenes prioritization of anything other than maybe recency, i.e., the default view for a forum on SA is to see stickied threads first and then threads sorted by most recent post. A thread with a million replies will get shunted below a thread with one reply if that one reply was made more recently, there's no algorithm sorting which threads you see and saying "this one with a million replies is clearly driving more engagement with the site so I'll push it to the top", it's just sorting by last post. Yeah, this jives with a lot of what I've drawn from my readings on McLuhan and Postman's works, though I might argue that in certain cases there is some sort of internal, background mechanism to promote certain ideas - curators of a forum can use various distinction tools available to them to elevate some voices above other though it's considerable less obfuscated than "the algorithm" because you can generally point to one of a handful of potential suspects that elevate a voice because the ones with that power are straight up publicly listed at the top of that forum.
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Lib and let die posted:I wrote A Lot of Words about this idea after all the AOC Met Gala stuff, when she tweeted out this statement. It's buried in the succ thread somewhere and I may go back and refine it, but she didn't do the idea justice, and really sort of perverted McLuhan's theories to shield herself from criticism. Absolutely. Even just using my very simple example of thread order in a subforum, ahead of the "last posted" sort order there are stickied threads, which got there because somebody with the power to stick threads went in and used it rather than because a computer determined that those were the best threads to have at the top of the forum.
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ive never experienced this posting in fyad
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Nov 30, 2021 22:02
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scary ghost dog posted:ive never experienced this posting in fyad What you are experiencing is the cleansing light of the Immortal Science.
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Nov 30, 2021 22:49
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gently caress u
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Nov 30, 2021 22:50
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have u tried luv <3 <3 <3
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Nov 30, 2021 23:38
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Personally I'm more into melancholy and despair, but glad you've found a posting brand OP
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Lib and let die posted:oh i was expecting a bunch more 'didn't reads' and stuff. you're a very hard read yourself, mr smythe. bit of a norm macdonald 'is he doing a bit or not? i just can't tell' kinda thing. im a "thing liker" now, OP. long gone are the days of misanthropy. its all about good natured laughs and appreciation these days.
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Smythe posted:im a "thing liker" now, OP. long gone are the days of misanthropy. its all about good natured laughs and appreciation these days. oh, word? you like some... "thing" ??? it could be everything, even 
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jesus christ the zipper on my pants broke and my weiner was just flopping around luckily everyone was at lunch
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Gj op, I'm not smart, but I am into chilling out and thinking about your criticism and internalizing it.
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Phobos Anomaly posted:Recently I made a (particular) forum post (not on this forum). Someone responded to this post disagreeing with me. My initial reaction was of self-righteous indignation. I'm always right how dare someone disagree with me. The fact I even managed to make my post makes me superior to all other humans. wait isn't this exactly what tucker carlson said
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Al! posted:wait isn't this exactly what tucker carlson said it's uncanny
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