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My son posted a very, very, racist and disgusting meme in a group chat. He's old enough to know better. I teach kids his age about this thing in my school. I've lead book studies on Stamped and American Like Me, etc. I'm so pissed I'm seeing red right now. The punishments will be multiple, and of a wide variety. But one I want to implement is a book study, and I'd like recommendations for him to read anything that will snap him straight. I have Uncle Tom's Cabin, but I don't think it'd help any, to be honest. It's not as in your face and raw as I'd like. Amy recommendations? I'll probably at least start with Stamped.
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Feb 15, 2022 05:33
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How old is your son? I assume the racist meme was about black people, but you could add Books like this to his reading list. You're American, but the US also had residential schools like Canada I think.
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Feb 15, 2022 23:57
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As a general rule, I'd advise against making anyone read anything as punishment. You run the risk of teaching the lesson that reading, generally, is bad and punishment, which could do a lot of damage, and he won't learn anything anyway he'll just learn to resent you for making him read. What I'd suggest is making your son do volunteer work at a local charity that works with the homeless. Something like Habitat for Humanity or a soup kitchen or something like that. Something that gets him direct, personal contact with those poorer and browner than he is. He might still get super mad at you / about it but at least he'll be helping people and he might get some perspective. Past that if you really do want him to do a book report type thing I'd probably point to the classics. Uncle Tom's Cabin isn't actually that readable and was written by a white lady and isn't a great choice overall. You'd probably be better off with something like Toni Morrison or Zora Neale Hurston, something well-written with a good story by an actual African-American author. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Feb 16, 2022 01:57
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op, the only real answer is that you yourself become super racist. the child will then associate racism with parental uncoolness.
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Feb 16, 2022 05:22
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you are, in no way, going to convince a teenager who is either already too far gone on either the sincerity or the irony end of the spectrum to care via book.
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Feb 16, 2022 14:11
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Grem posted:The punishments will be multiple, and of a wide variety. Maybe you should read a book about parenting.
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Feb 16, 2022 15:34
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Cutting promos on one's kid is hard business
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Feb 18, 2022 00:22
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I feel like a few more details would be helpful.
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Feb 18, 2022 01:36
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Look I don't wanna say I know the answers because this sounds like a complicated issue and I'm not sure of the details, but before you launch into a variety of punishments, have you tried talking to him about it? Either your kid is being radicalised from somewhere, and your punishments are just gonna push him further along that road, or he's trying to fit in with shitheads who may be being radicalised. I know there's some ages where he might just not give a poo poo, but I would say you've got a better chance getting through to him by talking with him about this in a nonviolent communication way. Like have a sit down with him, read beforehand about how to engage in a non violent communication so that you can understand where he's at, and so that he can understand you care about him and don't want him to make bad and harmful decisions. Just punishing him for this poo poo isn't going to teach him anything except that his parent is one of the people he can't trust.
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Feb 18, 2022 10:27
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Testicle Masochist posted:Just punishing him for this poo poo isn't going to teach him anything except that his parent is one of the people he can't trust. Yeah kids remember the punishment, not the excuse for the punishment.
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Feb 18, 2022 11:56
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Just, like...talk to your son instead of punishing him and calling him a shithead on the internet.
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Feb 18, 2022 14:06
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Alhazred posted:Just, like...talk to your son instead of punishing him and calling him a shithead on the internet. Send them off to military school. e: Is there a good book on military schools or whatever you call them? They're a completely alien concept to me and I only know they exist from oldish American movies.
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Feb 18, 2022 14:12
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Send them off to military school. I think the goal is to make them less racist not more.
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Feb 18, 2022 20:34
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Testicle Masochist posted:Look I don't wanna say I know the answers because this sounds like a complicated issue and I'm not sure of the details, but before you launch into a variety of punishments, have you tried talking to him about it? Either your kid is being radicalised from somewhere, and your punishments are just gonna push him further along that road, or he's trying to fit in with shitheads who may be being radicalised.
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Feb 19, 2022 00:54
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your son should learn to keep being an insane online freak separate from real life mostly, it sounds like. idk what you expect to happen here lol. personally, all that stuff sounds like some dreadful white people poo poo but whatever. i don't really get racism in the first place unless it's in ironic terms so I don't know what to tell you. it's an alien thought process i probably won't ever understand.
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Feb 19, 2022 05:32
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How old is your kid? What kind of books do they like to read? I agree with the approach of getting them to engage and change their views through varied methods (reading, volunteering, etc) but it will probably help to cater to their interests a bit. If they're old enough to handle denser material and are interested in history or politics or the like then something like Indigenous peoples history of the United States, The Condemnation of Blackness, How the Irish became White, or If They Come in the Morning might be good starting points. Anything by Toni Morrison, Octavia Butler, NK Jemisin, DJ Older, etc if they're into Sci-fi or fantasy. If they're getting into that age where dating and relationships are becoming more of a focus then couldn't hurt to introduce them to The Will to Change, Women Race & Class, etc. There's also lots of great writing out there now on racism in tech or gaming - Algorithms of Oppression, Dark Matters, The Race Card, and Intersectional Tech. Happy to chat through the finer points of most of those, I've read pretty much all of them and definitely would've benefited from being exposed to them at a younger age.
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Feb 23, 2022 19:42
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I assume your kid is in his teens or tweens, OP, and that's a really tough age to communicate the fact that irony isn't real and ironic racism is just straight-up racism. That sucks, and it's something I worry about when I think about having a kid of my own.
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Feb 23, 2022 23:46
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this book helped my beloved adult son Memnoch stop posting Pepe memes on Twitter. It’s available at Kohl’s so convenient to pick up when you need a quick pair of replacement slacks: 
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Feb 24, 2022 02:16
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Mat Cauthon posted:How old is your kid? What kind of books do they like to read? I agree with the approach of getting them to engage and change their views through varied methods (reading, volunteering, etc) but it will probably help to cater to their interests a bit. hey this is an awesome post, thanks!
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Feb 24, 2022 03:53
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Glad to help. One more thought - if you're not already planning on doing this I would recommend reading whatever books you assign the kid (even if you've read them before) and setting up time to talk through the material with them (once a week or something like that). That way it is less of a punishment and more of a "this thing that happened made me realize we both need to learn more and work through this together" experience.
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Feb 24, 2022 17:54
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bell hooks, maybe? I know I found them to be a very informative and easy-to-read author not just on race but on feminism.
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