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Porrima posted:What are some examples people consider to be most succesful single draft years for a team?
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Jul 9, 2022 16:25
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If we're talking cap era, Colorado had that one draft where they grabbed Duchene, O'Reilly and Barrie which is pretty nuts
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Jul 9, 2022 16:32
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Porrima posted:What are some examples people consider to be most succesful single draft years for a team? 11th- Mike Sillinger 32nd- Bob Boughner 53rd- Nick Lidstrom 74th- Sergei Fedorov 116th- Dallas Drake 221st- Konstantinov
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Jul 9, 2022 16:44
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Thanks. I know picks past first 20 aren't that valuable and most draftees end up in AHL at most, but it was still surprising that best drafts for many teams consist of two useful players in a year.
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Jul 9, 2022 17:49
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The Habs drafting McDonough, Paccioretty, and Subban in 2007 with their first three picks was great. Then they traded McDonough for Scott Gomez.
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Jul 9, 2022 17:53
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Porrima posted:Thanks. Ya the Oilers best draft post cap is 2015. Beyond the obvious McDavid, they snagged C. Jones, Bear and John Marino which is a pretty great haul for one draft.
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Jul 9, 2022 17:55
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I went looking for the worst draft in the cap era. My criteria heading into this is a team that had no one from a drafted year ever play in the NHL. Also, they needed to have a first-round pick. I also ignored any draft in the past 4-5 seasons, because it's still too early. In 2006, with 8 draft picks, the Calgary Flames managed to only get Leland Irving who played 13 NHL games. In the same year, the Lightning had 4 picks, and managed to draft two players to combine for 7 games. Interesting about 2006 was the Lightning and Flames both used their first-round pick on a goalie. The other two goalie picks in the first-round? Bernier and Varlamov. The 2008 Montreal Canadiens are the only team I found with no picks that made the NHL, but their highest was the 56th overall pick.
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Jul 9, 2022 19:31
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In 2007 the Canucks had 6 picks including 25th and 33rd overall and managed a grand total of zero NHL games from it.
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Jul 9, 2022 20:00
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Twin Cinema posted:I went looking for the worst draft in the cap era. My criteria heading into this is a team that had no one from a drafted year ever play in the NHL. Also, they needed to have a first-round pick. I also ignored any draft in the past 4-5 seasons, because it's still too early. Honestly a good chunk of Calgary 's drafts in the 90s would qualify
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Jul 9, 2022 20:06
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ThinkTank posted:In 2007 the Canucks had 6 picks including 25th and 33rd overall and managed a grand total of zero NHL games from it. I quickly scanned each team’s draft picks, so I may have missed something like this. I am impressed by how they managed to do that! El Gallinero Gros posted:Honestly a good chunk of Calgary 's drafts in the 90s would qualify I just looked, and yeesh.
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Jul 9, 2022 20:17
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The Penguins drafting has been a mess for almost a decade now, imo Too early to say for sure but every single one of the players drafted by Ottawa last year had an abysmal d+1 season, and they followed that up by drafting a bunch of big dudes way before they were scheduled to be drafted again this year You’d think after giving up assets for a 5’7 40-goal scorer there would be a change in drafting strategy but nah
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Jul 9, 2022 20:17
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The Dirty Burger posted:The Penguins drafting has been a mess for almost a decade now, imo Harsh truth. from 2016-present our draft picks have played a combined total of 53 NHL games.
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Jul 9, 2022 20:24
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Schremp Howard posted:The Habs drafting McDonough, Paccioretty, and Subban in 2007 with their first three picks was great. Then they traded McDonough for Scott Gomez. Yannick Weber was in that draft too. Not a superstar by any means, but managed to stick in the NHL for 10+ years.
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Jul 9, 2022 20:37
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Porrima posted:What are some examples people consider to be most succesful single draft years for a team? The draft that everyone is talking about for the Stars lately is the 2017 draft, where they ended up with 3 franchise player level talents in Miro Heiskanen, Jason Robertson and Jake Oettinger (who are now basically the core of their team) as well as Jacob Peterson who has the look of a solid depth player but probably won't be around for more than a few years. There's been quite a few drafts where the Stars ended up with 3 or 4 guys who played all played a few seasons or more in the NHL, but none of those groupings were players that were as impactful as these three look to be. That being said, the 2021 draft class may actually eclipse 2017 for the Stars, although it's obviously too early to tell. The Stars ended up taking 10 players that year and the team has very high hopes for a number of them. Wyatt Johnston (who lead the CHL in scoring by a mile and won every single award the OHL has to give out) and Logan Stankoven (who lead the WHL is scoring on a per game basis and won CHL player of the year) are the two highlights of the class, and it's safe to say that the Stars haven't drafted anyone who has put up that kind of production in the junior leagues probably since Jarome Iginla lol. Very strange for Dallas fans to actually be excited about their prospect system. Starsfan fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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Jul 9, 2022 20:39
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I read the linked article, didn't realize Alfie was a sixth round pick. I wonder if there's a reverse bias for the HOF, where guys who go late but end up "proving it" get more consideration.
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Jul 9, 2022 20:58
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Scaramouche posted:I read the linked article, didn't realize Alfie was a sixth round pick. I wonder if there's a reverse bias for the HOF, where guys who go late but end up "proving it" get more consideration.
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Jul 9, 2022 22:17
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Spring Break My Heart posted:A quick look at who else has gotten in the Hockey Hall of Fame would suggest no, not really. This made me curious so I just checked. From 1963 to 2000, 12 out 38 (projecting Jumbo Joe) of the 1st overall picks are in the Hall. 32% Now projecting for the current active crop, 2001-2020 (excluding Power and Slafkovsky), I'd say at least 8 out of those 20 are relatively easy to project as locks which puts us at 40%. Keep in mind that percentage could go higher if guys like Kovalchuk and Nash get in on the strength of Richards and international prowess. Tavares if he cracks 1000... Hall if they don't want to break precedence of Hart trophy winners getting in. All that to say not much... except I guess the certainty of relative success of first overall picks is much better than it used to be.
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Jul 9, 2022 23:08
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Here's a rough breakdown of #1s since Modano. 2005 Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby Cup + HOF 2004 Washington Capitals Alexander Ovechkin Cup + HOF 2007 Chicago Blackhawks Patrick Kane Cup + HOF 2008 Tampa Bay Lightning Steven Stamkos Cup + HOF 1988 Minnesota North Stars Mike Modano Cup + HOF 2013 Colorado Avalanche Nathan MacKinnon Cup + HOF 2003 Pittsburgh Penguins Marc-Andre Fleury Cup + HOF 2015 Edmonton Oilers Connor McDavid HOF (?) 2016 Toronto Maple Leafs Auston Matthews HOF (?) 1997 Boston Bruins Joe Thornton HOF 1989 Quebec Nordiques Mats Sundin HOF 1991 Quebec Nordiques Eric Lindros HOF 1998 Tampa Bay Lightning Vincent Lecavalier Cup + All-Star 2001 Atlanta Thrashers Ilya Kovalchuk All-Star 2002 Columbus Blue Jackets Rick Nash All-Star 2009 New York Islanders John Tavares All-Star (?) 2010 Edmonton Oilers Taylor Hall All-Star 1990 Quebec Nordiques Owen Nolan All-Star 2017 New Jersey Devils Nico Hischier Too young to know 2018 Buffalo Sabres Rasmus Dahlin Too young to know 2019 New Jersey Devils Jack Hughes Too young to know 2020 New York Rangers Alexis Lafrenière Too young to know 2021 Buffalo Sabres Owen Power Too young to know 2022 Montreal Canadiens Juraj Slafkovsky Too young to know 2011 Edmonton Oilers Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Solid 2014 Florida Panthers Aaron Ekblad Solid 1996 Ottawa Senators Chris Phillips Solid 1994 Florida Panthers Ed Jovanovski Solid 2006 St. Louis Blues Erik Johnson Solid 1992 Tampa Bay Lightning Roman Hamrlik Solid 1995 Ottawa Senators Bryan Berard Solid 1993 Ottawa Senators Alexandre Daigle 1999 Atlanta Thrashers Patrik Stefan 2000 New York Islanders Rick DiPietro 2012 Edmonton Oilers Nail Yakupov
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Jul 9, 2022 23:46
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Roman Hamrlik was a #1 pick? Jesus. That 92 draft class doesn't look very good...
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Jul 10, 2022 01:56
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Yakupov should get into the hall of Fame for that one goal that he went sliding across the ice to celebrate and that made his french Canadian team mate who was wearing a silk scarf mad
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Jul 10, 2022 02:02
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:This made me curious so I just checked. From 1963 to 2000, 12 out 38 (projecting Jumbo Joe) of the 1st overall picks are in the Hall. 32% Not every Hart winner is in the HOF  ?
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Jul 10, 2022 06:38
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Twin Cinema posted:I quickly scanned each team’s draft picks, so I may have missed something like this. I am impressed by how they managed to do that! Not only did they manage 0 NHL games, those guys reached a combined 89 AHL games. None of them played a full season at the AHL level. Their first round pick (Patrick White) was traded to San Jose just so they could make no attempt to resign him and get a compensatory 2nd round pick. In 2010 the Canucks had no selections until the 4th and managed 1 NHL game (from Alex Friesen playing for St. Louis) from five selections. In 2016 the Canucks had six picks including 5th overall and they've played a combined 56 games. Juolevi will probably go back to Europe this summer and Lockwood might get a spot as the Canuck's 14th forward this year. In 2020 the Canucks didn't have any picks until the 3rd round but none of their 5 selections from that season are expected to be signed just two years later. In 2021 the Canucks had six picks with their first in the 2nd round. It's very early but aside from Danila Klimovich taken 41st overall, the remaining 5 selections are not expected to be signed just one year later. The Canucks rule.
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Jul 10, 2022 13:43
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stab posted:Not every Hart winner is in the HOF
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Jul 10, 2022 16:51
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ThinkTank posted:
Lmao that's wild
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Jul 10, 2022 17:02
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Lmao that's wild We got six years of OEL from it so who's to say if it was bad?
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Jul 10, 2022 17:04
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It seems normal for Cup contenders to trade away their top picks, though?
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Jul 10, 2022 17:12
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ThinkTank posted:We got six years of OEL from it so who's to say if it was bad? Those bubble playoff “runs” Chicago and Vancouver went on in 2020 were kind of costly in hindsight. Made Bowman & Benning think their teams were contenders, and then both traded big time assets for an expensive, declining defenseman who will anchor them for years to come
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Jul 10, 2022 17:52
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the Rangers in 99 drafted Pavel Brendl and Jamie Lundmark in the top 10, then had 9 more picks and 0 played NHL games.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:07
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ThinkTank posted:In 2021 the Canucks had six picks with their first in the 2nd round. It's very early but aside from Danila Klimovich taken 41st overall, the remaining 5 selections are not expected to be signed just one year later. klimovich was a frequent scratch in the ahl. he's a longshot too
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Jul 10, 2022 23:50
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Ya the Oilers best draft post cap is 2015. Beyond the obvious McDavid, they snagged C. Jones, Bear and John Marino which is a pretty great haul for one draft. I'm not sure I would count that one because none of those three players are playing for us anymore. You also cannot mention the 2015 draft for the Oilers without bringing up the Griffin Reinhart trade where our other first-round pick became Matt Barzal. Good draft on paper but, yeah... But, doesn't matter, McDavid. Duck Rodgers posted:Yakupov should get into the hall of Fame for that one goal that he went sliding across the ice to celebrate and that made his french Canadian team mate who was wearing a silk scarf mad Every Oilers discussion group I have ever been a part of has that ONE person who will defend Yakupov usually saying "he can turn it around!" despite it now being a decade since his draft year and washing out of two other organizations after we traded him. I got into a really nasty argument (more of verbal abuse via DMs) on Reddit with one after pointing all that out. Justin Godscock fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jul 11, 2022 |
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Jul 11, 2022 00:12
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the talent deficit posted:klimovich was a frequent scratch in the ahl. he's a longshot too He was at least signed though. With regards to his development, he was an 18 year old in the AHL and stayed in the lineup most of the year. He's not likely to be anyone of consequence at the NHL level, but he's trending as well as can be expected given his draft position. He'll be back in the AHL this coming season and where he goes from there is anyone's guess. He's certainly not trending to be a bust quite yet. I still have no idea why they didn't send him to the QMJHL though.
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Jul 11, 2022 02:19
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