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sullat
Jan 9, 2012
Weird everyone knows that the only true justice is that meted out by hammering the nearest crafter for failing to meet production mandates.

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BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Mantis42 posted:

It's a good book but also the moon anarchist should have sided with the USSR analog instead of whining about everything.

Look, anarchism can work! You just need to somehow get the capitalists to send you to a completely different planetary body!! I actually can't remember how they even got there it's been so long since I read that book; did they just annoy both the USSR/US analogs enough that they both sent them to the moon (that sounded like it was a pretty lovely place)?

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
Yeah the anarchists getting the moon was essentially a compromise deal to try to stave off world revolution by shipping all of the radicals off to the colonies

The anarchists got the short end of the stick, too - not only is the moon a barren wasteland that can barely produce enough food to sustain a population, it's also explicitly stated that the only reason the anarchists are allowed to continue existing up there is because they keep the flow of raw materials the moon was originally settled for coming. They're described as a 'resource colony' and it's mentioned that the periodic shipments of mined minerals are major events for the capitalist state's stock market - so not only did sending them up there end the general strike and stop the revolution, the anarchists are actually directly perpetuating the capitalist state's existence and are functionally still participating in the capitalist world-system in every way that matters. This is explicit text, too, it's not just implied.

When she calls it an 'ambiguous utopia' it's ambiguous in more ways than one

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Naturally the anarchists think they're totally free and independent, too

It really is perfect

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
the anarchists also operate under a system of societal pressure more oppressive than an actual authoritarian state would be to force everyone into doing exactly what the non-state state demands, idk if she actually did read it while she was writing but the tyranny of the structurelessness came out while she would have been writing

Cassian of Imola
Feb 9, 2011

Keeping her memory alive!

fermun posted:

the anarchists also operate under a system of societal pressure more oppressive than an actual authoritarian state would be to force everyone into doing exactly what the non-state state demands, idk if she actually did read it while she was writing but the tyranny of the structurelessness came out while she would have been writing

beginning to see a pattern here:

songs of syx dev made a nazi game by depicting racism

le guin wrote an anti-anarchist book by depicting colonialism and poverty (accidentally lol)

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Dont think it was by accident

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
anarchists reinventing the state and just calling it something else you say?

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
it's a really good book, btw

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


depicting racism isn’t the problem; making criminal behaviour a function of race is

Iriscoral
Apr 9, 2023

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racism is fundamentally a feature of the superstructure; its a generated thought-system to continously enforce the inherent hierarchies and material differences within society, from different groups against others

any game or media attempting to model racism that does not understand this relationship is wasting your time

Iriscoral has issued a correction as of 12:49 on Apr 28, 2024

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


throwing Pac-Man in the loving trash for its lack of thoughtful critique of cybernetic racism

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Iriscoral posted:

racism is fundamentally a feature of the superstructure; its a generated thought-system to continously enforce the inherent hierarchies and material differences within society, from different groups against others

any game or media that does not understand this relationship is wasting your time

Even unmodded minecraft?

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
Oh gently caress I just remembered the endermen

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