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Yeah pulling points in the final seconds of the match for accidentally giving points earlier is not how you handle that situation.
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Sep 18, 2022 20:35
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starkebn posted:Wow, Leon just got robbed. They took 2 points off of him in the last 5 seconds No way you can do that, totally changed how he fought the last 30 seconds of the match Yeah but he should have never had gotten those points to begin with.
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Sep 18, 2022 20:41
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:Yeah but he should have never had gotten those points to begin with. I know it doesn't change the outcome, it just seems wrong to do it that way
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Sep 18, 2022 20:54
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All the women's semi matches have been awesome in their own ways. So devastating to see a forfeit due to injury like that for Kendall Reusing
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Sep 18, 2022 21:41
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Weight class finals should start in the next 10 minutes
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Sep 19, 2022 00:03
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Gordon finishes Nicky Rod just like an instructional
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Sep 19, 2022 00:31
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It's just crazy how fast and effortlessly he gets those. I missed most of yeterday's matches but today has been great
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Sep 19, 2022 00:39
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Kaynan crushed Craig, people shouldn't be booing him.
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Sep 19, 2022 01:02
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It’s interesting that there’s no limit to how many stalling penalties you can get - Kaynan got 10 points and 8 stalling penalties so he won 2-0.
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Sep 19, 2022 01:23
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Abreu forfeiting the bronze medal match due to injury, meaning Tye got a medal after such a dope run and arguably beat Meregali and should have been in the finals is great. gently caress Cyborg Abreu.
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Sep 19, 2022 05:47
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Wonder how long Gordon vs Andre will take
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Sep 19, 2022 06:02
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Gordon put on another clinic, he can walk the walk
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Sep 19, 2022 06:30
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Great ADCC event ruined by Flo's horrible production. Did anyone else hear multiple audios streams at the same time? Sometimes I was even listening to the Portuguese commentators. Also the frequent breaks could have been filled with quick interviews, recaps, etc.
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I want impressed at times with the production, but I would go as far to say it was horrible. Definitely a lot of mistakes on the day, and a few unwise plans. The streaming was pretty flawless apart from the sound not being piped to the stream at times, and just getting audio from the camera pickup. As always, the absolute final match is when both athletes are at their most tired, so it wasn't the most dynamic, but definitely a majority of the fights were ADCC worthy.
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This was posted by Seth who runs Fight2Win and was in charge of the event production for ADCC (he did 2019 as well). Seth has a history of being very combative to criticism etc. but still dude, if people like Gordon or whoever are preaching this should be a professional sport etc. (and I want to see that happen) and one of the people in charge is acting like this when they're 2hrs late to the event starting the sport is either never going to grow, or this guy is gonna be booted real quick. Overall the stage was great. The fighter introductions by Lenne Hardt & Bruce Buffer was great. The lighting? poo poo. The lack of hearing the music when the fighters came out? poo poo. The camera work was pretty good overall. The FloZone coverage was fine. The commentating was fine. But like...yeah asking for a minimum of $30 for people to watch this is so gross and bad lol. The matches were all pretty good. -66kg was the one division I didn't really care about. Kade's run was stupidly cool. Ffion winning was awesome. Craig taking 2nd place is a meme I'll never stop loving. Nicky did awesome as well. JT losing by decision was shocking in a grand scheme. AJ Agazarm having to be escorted off the mat area by the event security because he refused to accept he lost by the judges decision and them turning the lights off on him was hilarious. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Sep 19, 2022 |
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I was at a viewing party, so didn't pay. If I had I can see being a bit more upset.
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It's less that it's this lone event that had issues and more Flo has routinely under delivered and have a chokehold on grappling event streaming etc. So you're stuck with people who clearly don't learn or bother to improve running the whole production of these events. All while trying to proclaim this as a professional sport etc.
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Yeah, it's a shame if they're going to rest on their laurels because no-one is threatening to outdo them, there's definitely a lot of room for improvement
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Sep 19, 2022 10:22
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"we can do no wrong". - Seth No, but you can improve... Mekchu posted:The FloZone coverage was fine. Actaully this is where I was having audio issues. It was weird because when I would stop and start that stream again, the audio issues went away, and then they would come back later  Overall the event was great. We have to remember, the more eyes that are on the event (which will happen for sure in the future), the more pressure there will be to produce a quality product.
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:"we can do no wrong". - Seth I disagree on uh like every point. I thought the event was crap, mostly from a production standpoint. The pacing was an embarrassment. Some of the production values were neat I guess but that poo poo should be secondary to making sure the core event runs smoothly. The hour of fighter introductions on Saturday was the dumbest loving thing. It was as if someone saw the statistic that the highest rated segment in the Olympics is the opening ceremony and just went "that's genius". There were too drat many long, pointless breaks and too much loving wasted time. The whole thing could have run in two lean 6h blocks but it went well beyond that. Quality product from here should start with "is easy to watch" and "event runs well." The matches were... ok. They were good when they were good. I strongly disagree with the tendency in submission grappling to book long matches - the apparent theory is long match -> more likely to end in decisive submission, but from what I've seen the longer the match, the more likely for there to be huge periods of nothing at all going on. ADCC's 10+5 OT is plenty for anything, imo, and I would argue that the OT should only be for matches that are tied beyond 0-0. 0-0 after 10? Just go to the judges. There's no need for e.g. Yuri Simoes vs Nicky Rodriguez to be any longer than it was. That poo poo is not going to get any more eyeballs. And as far as growth of the sport goes? I think we just witnessed the peak. I'm skeptical that next year's event will have as much money dumped into the stage and what not. Its media presence outside of grappling-specific channels is basically zero. I've been monitoring CBC sports all day because they're a great litmus test for popular penetration of a sport, as they pull out trumpets whenever a Canadian gets a medal in anything. A silver and a bronze at, say, world track and field would be a big story there, but nope - there's nothing about ADCC. There's a story about Gillian Robertson's undercard UFC win. There's a story about a couple of Canadians getting Bronze in junior beach volleyball and another about wheelchair rugby. Judo and wrestling get covered all of the time. Nothing about grappling. Grappling has less media presence as a spectator sport than curling or junior beach volleyball. Think about that.
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CommonShore posted:Complaints Most of your complaints are related to Flo loving things up, which I agree, it was a mess. But its always a mess with them. ADCC was just a continuation of this. ADCC did some dumb things too (I agree the fighter intros was waaay too long), and anyone that wasnt familiar with Pride was not going to recognize that announcer (My wife: "WTF is up with that announcer??"). But I thought the HOF inductions was actually relevant and some of the short stories the fighters told was cool. The kids in attendance were probably wondering who Mario Sperry and Mark Kerr were. Good. They should know the history IMO. Also, I think the Mo Jassim black belt thing was unneeded and he was kind of like "ok, we are doing this now?".
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Yeah, the surprise black belt for Mo was stupid and he looked embarrassed
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I didn't catch that part but that sounds stupid as hell given the context of the event. That should be either at the end of the whole thing or just behind the scenes/at a gym or even at that seminar thing they did the day before everything started. I am beginning to agree more with commonshore that this is the peak of grappling's ability to put on events like this. I'd certainly love to see it be consistently at this level but given the antics of Flo & Seth Daniels, and how their product has not bee super great because of said antics, I don't think we will see it be like that with them involved.
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It was almost a complete farce at the beginning of the event because Flo wanted it to be the Gordon Ryan show, they wanted to talk about Gordon after his first win even though the rest of the matches were still on. Someone (Mo maybe?) either yelled at them to pull their head out of their arse or someone had a moment of sanity, because it was complete lunacy.
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they should do the HOF inductions and major athlete introductions at the bracket announcement event. Saturday-Sunday should be just about fighting.
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starkebn posted:Yeah, the surprise black belt for Mo was stupid and he looked embarrassed what happened here? didn't watch it live but just watched ryan / galvao and once again i hate how much of an absolute piece of poo poo ryan is because he is loving good at jiu jitsu
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Marching Powder posted:what happened here? At the end of the Hall of Fame production, just as everyone is clapping to give the HoFamers their moment someone (I guess Mo's coach) comes out and they stop everything to tie a belt around his waist and force him to give a speech. incredibly bad decision in my opinion
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all the worst parts of the events were bad decisions rather than technical problems in my opinion. The hour of fighter walk-ins on the beginning of the first day even though they had the face-offs already, Flo wanting to make a Gordon documentary during the event, having the hall of fame event during the day was also the wrong decision imo, they should have done a night dinner or something. Flo had 4 streams going simultaneously with different commentary for each mat and it worked pretty much without problems both days in my experience, although it wasn't completely flawless.
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My only problem that I always have with Flo is trying to go full screen or max window sized. Full screen always crops out part of the top and most of the scoreboard. If i go max window size it doesn't expand the video to encompass the whole window. 1/3 of the screen is just the others tream options which really shrink down the main player. Beside that I didn't have any connection, audio, or playing issues over the weekend. I would agree with most that the production, layout, etc were pretty meh to bad
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CommonShore posted:they should do the HOF inductions and major athlete introductions at the bracket announcement event. Saturday-Sunday should be just about fighting. This is one of those weird things where I think it should have been its own event on another day as well. While the event was cool, it felt...rushed..."ok do a speech but not too long...oh, your chair is over there". They really could have turned this into something much longer and made it more relevant to being just about the history.
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starkebn posted:At the end of the Hall of Fame production, just as everyone is clapping to give the HoFamers their moment someone (I guess Mo's coach) comes out and they stop everything to tie a belt around his waist and force him to give a speech. P sure the “someone” was JT Torres 
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butros posted:P sure the “someone” was JT Torres Now you mention it, I recognised him at the time.
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