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Real Men Don't Eat Quiche was a satire, actually. Although, like most satire, many assholes decided to take it as literal and also a manifesto. I sometimes marvel at the fact that nobody actually started eating babies after A Modest Proposal came out.
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Given the British I'm pretty sure they already were.
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twistedmentat posted:I've not seen On Her Majesties Secret Service that many times, but it just feels very weird. Like for one thing, Telly Savalas is just there, and its kind of distracting. Also the plot is just odd, he's going to cure women of their allergies but in the process turn them into biological bombs I think? Though it does lead directly into Diamonds Are Forever starting out with Bond punching random people going WHERE IS ERNST STRAV BLOFELD??? and without seeing the end of the previous one, you'll not know about Teresa and why Bond is hunting Blofeld down. I responded to this post once already, but using it again to jump to another angle: as time goes on, the more I'm of the opinion that the franchise's original sin is not nailing On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Not that it isn't a compelling movie on its own, but as part of a series it was probably the most important installment and they didn't get it to work. The cast (for the most part) is good, the script (for the most part) is good, the problem is that they don't match. George Lazenby and Diana Rigg are playing young, brash, and restless people trying to be cut free from authority figures, while the script is trying to tell a story about a couple of seasoned people - at least one of whom has entered middle age - growing disillusioned with their lives and deciding to start over before it's too late (spoiler: it's too late). I think the result is that OHMSS becomes too much of a quirky outlier to the series when it could have been the definitive statement on the James Bond character. In hindsight, they could've gotten it to work with its current cast if they'd reframed it as a prequel: the Lazenby Bond becomes the Connery Bond at the end. This is why he is who he is. If it had starred Connery (and Brigette Bardot as Tracy, allegedly) they could've played the characters as written and informed the series going forward: Bond has learned that there's no turning back, he is 007 forever, and accepts that's who he is. As is, OHMSS just kind of exists on its own and it's unclear whether it's had any effect on the character, aside from him getting a tad mercurial if his late wife is ever mentioned. James Bond remains an anonymous archetype and a collection of tropes to be interpreted in whatever way by whoever is wearing them instead of a real character who could've given the series a more tangible sense of identity. Being the former isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he could've been both! SidneyIsTheKiller fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Mar 23, 2024 |
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Mar 23, 2024 13:52
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This never happened to the other poster (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:I responded to this post once already, but using it again to jump to another angle: as time goes on, the more I'm of the opinion that the franchise's original sin is not nailing On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Not that it isn't a compelling movie on its own, but as part of a series it was probably the most important installment and they didn't get it to work. Thats a really interesting idea. Yea, i think if it was written as an earlier installment than Dr No it would of worked better. Why is Bond such a womanizer and doesn't seem to care about the women beyond the simply pleasure of going to the bone zone and the mission? Because he did fall in love and she was killed because of his duty, so he hardened himself against ever seeing women as anything more than playthings. That's kind of how Craig went, didn't he? Until he meets Lea Seydoux, which i mean, yea I get that.
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My immediate observation on the "it should have been a prequel" is that I'm not sure how they would have established that it exists prior to the other extant movies? My recollection is that you could play any of the Connery movies in a shuffle, and it wouldn't make a difference? I suppose "Bond doesn't know what SPECTRE is," would be a marker, but that's pretty thin?
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:My immediate observation on the "it should have been a prequel" is that I'm not sure how they would have established that it exists prior to the other extant movies? My recollection is that you could play any of the Connery movies in a shuffle, and it wouldn't make a difference? I suppose "Bond doesn't know what SPECTRE is," would be a marker, but that's pretty thin? Hmm, I suppose one way would be to have Bond meet a visibly younger and healthier Blofeld and have them not recognize each other. 
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Your problems with the movie are all about Bond's character and have no connection to the plot at all. Which is, still, absolute nonsense a tier above even the YOLT stealing space capsules stuff.
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The plot itself is one of the weirder ones, for sure, and probably could've used some more tweaking because it gets borderline surreal and I don't get the impression it was supposed to. Like, we can't even get started unpacking the whole "experimental treatment for allergies using a harem of exotic women from all over the world as its subjects in a ski resort restaurant in the alps that's actually a front for a global biological weapon terrorist scheme" thing because, first of all, the movie seems to be conflating allergies with phobias? Does "allergies" mean something different in UK english or something?
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Speleothing posted:Your problems with the movie are all about Bond's character and have no connection to the plot at all. Which is, still, absolute nonsense a tier above even the YOLT stealing space capsules stuff. Every time I watch that movie I am just flabbergasted at how advanced the capabilities of the capture ship is. Just decades ahead of what they were capable at the time
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Mar 26, 2024 14:56
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:The plot itself is one of the weirder ones, for sure, and probably could've used some more tweaking because it gets borderline surreal and I don't get the impression it was supposed to. I think the implication is just that it's a glorified resort for rich people.
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twistedmentat posted:That's kind of how Craig went, didn't he? Until he meets Lea Seydoux, which i mean, yea I get that. Yes, what he's describing about OHMSS is basically exactly what they did with Casino Royale (2006)
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