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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

tractor fanatic posted:

Did we? The thing scrolling tiktok most reminds me of is scrolling through cable channels back in the day, looking for something to watch

It's not that the behavior is different, it's the delivery system. Our brains just aren't well equipped to deal with so much data so quickly.

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Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

Back in my day we wasted hours on a forum posting photishop memes and we didn't even get our data stolen kids today have their shitposting and doomscrolling handed to them and at all it cost them was their mcdonalds menu preferences being tracked

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Everyone agrees that capitalism and materialism suck but all they do is make memes about it

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Oh no my trick tokes

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



People who are complaining about short attention spans are correct, but again: blaming Tik Tok alone for this is selective outrage.

Treecko
Apr 23, 2008

The Official Demon Girl
Boss of 2022!
I mostly watch Judge Judy on the Tok

Treecko
Apr 23, 2008

The Official Demon Girl
Boss of 2022!
Now there's a lady who can hold my attention

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Judge Judy sentenced a baby to hell for not being baptized.

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Hell Gem

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Judge Judy sentenced a baby to hell for not being baptized.

im gonna sentence my dick to ur butt

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

precision posted:

It's not that the behavior is different, it's the delivery system. Our brains just aren't well equipped to deal with so much data so quickly.

That, and surfing through channels gave you a randomized selection of networks and shows appealing to vastly different demographics and interests. Usually in the middle of existing broadcast times.

Tiktok and youtube's algorithms present you with what they determine will appeal to you. It's a much narrower spectrum of content, designed to exclude anything they don't think is in your wheelhouse. Which is great for engagement but keeps you in a bubble, sheltered from new faces or topics while constantly reinforcing your own biases to the point where the rest of humanity seems alien.

precision posted:

There isn't some weird Chinese conspiracy, the world has just gotten that bad at self control

Like why doesn't society push back against people who think it's okay to watch tiktok for literal hours at a time?

If someone watches porn and jerks off for literal hours a day, everyone would agree that person is gross and wasting their time

Explain to me how tiktok is different

Twitter had Vine which was pretty similar, but despite it's popularity it was shut down because it wasn't profitable. Tiktok may or may not be able to keep the lights running because of subsidies from the Chinese government. Who knows how Youtube Shorts will do, but Youtube itself was unprofitable when Google bought it and it continued to lose money for the next decade

Aside from that, it's written into China's cybersecurity laws that the government have unfettered access to any data that Bytedance touches. The Tiktok app itself collects an excessive amount of data about wifi networks and home routers, and security researchers have documented that the app itself is poorly-secured. It's also a matter of Chinese cybersecurity law that any company must inform the MIIT of any known vulnerabilities or backdoors within two days, but it doesn't require them to patch them in a timely manner. It also makes it illegal for anyone in China to disclose info about any security vulnerabilities to anyone besides the government. Which is why the Chinese government so often emphasizes with specific wording that they don't require companies to "create backdoors". Which is true, they don't need to. The NSA and western intelligence agencies also largely depend on exploiting existing backdoors before anyone notices and fixes them

Also if you delete your Tiktok account Bytedance is legally barred from actually deleting your info, they must create and maintain a backup in case the government wants a peek.

Tiktok's American execs went to congress and said that neither they nor Bytedance would abide by any legal data requests from the Chinese government, which is a claim so laughable I have to believe they were under the threat of termination if they said otherwise. The company wouldn't be permitted to exist in defiance of Chinese law. Even Microsoft and Apple had to set up new servers on Chinese soil for storing data on Chinese citizens, just so the CCP would have the jurisdiction to freely access them. This was a legal condition of them being able to do business in the country.

Anyway, the concern isn't that a foreign government will get data on a bunch of zoomers, just that it will give their intelligence agencies a leg up if any of those young users share a household and home network with any actual targets (military, activists, scientists, public officials, academics, journalists etc)

je1 healthcare fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Mar 19, 2023

dk2m
May 6, 2009

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

People who are complaining about short attention spans are correct, but again: blaming Tik Tok alone for this is selective outrage.

its becauuse they're chinese owned and therefore bad. we were just fine with instagram, reddit, facebook, etc doing this because atleast the money from privacy invasion and destroying youth culture goes to american shareholders

HORNEY VAPE BRO
Jun 14, 2009

I can't wait until the Chinese take over everything, at least they're able to provide housing and medical care for their people.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

dk2m posted:

its becauuse they're chinese owned and therefore bad. we were just fine with instagram, reddit, facebook, etc doing this because atleast the money from privacy invasion and destroying youth culture goes to american shareholders

Are Instagram, Reddit, Facebook and the rest available on China ?

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:

I can't wait until the Chinese take over everything, at least they're able to provide housing and medical care for their people.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm

HORNEY VAPE BRO
Jun 14, 2009

je1 healthcare posted:

I can't tell if this is sarcasm

How many homeless people does China have?

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Hell Gem

HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:

How many homeless people does China have?



https://www.reddit.com/r/ChinaMemes/comments/tudck6/never_forget_when_rsino_banned_someone_that/

dk2m
May 6, 2009

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Are Instagram, Reddit, Facebook and the rest available on China ?

Yeah they are banned there. I honestly have no problem banning tiktok but that’s is cover is the “think of the children” is pretty funny. No, it’s because China uses it to harvest data and they heavily censor the internet both for dissent reasons and for social reasons like internet addiction

HORNEY VAPE BRO
Jun 14, 2009


Cool now do Los Angeles

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Probation
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Hell Gem

HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:

Cool now do Los Angeles

no you

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Probation
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Hell Gem
also lol tankie located

immediate whataboutism

a perfect reply

HORNEY VAPE BRO
Jun 14, 2009

Bum the Sad posted:

also lol tankie located

immediate whataboutism

a perfect reply

Dogg I don't know what to tell you if you honestly think the United States does a better job taking care of its poorest and most vulnerable population than China. We have massive encampments in every major city and the only help our government provides is sending the pigs to arrest them and throw away their poo poo.

No wonder you've been banned so many times you're an incredibly obnoxious poster.

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Hell Gem

HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:

Dogg I don't know what to tell you if you honestly think the United States does a better job taking care of its poorest and most vulnerable population than China. We have massive encampments in every major city and the only help our government provides is sending the pigs to arrest them and throw away their poo poo.

No wonder you've been banned so many times you're an incredibly obnoxious poster.

Lol nice meltdown. I never said anything about the United States.

This is loving hilarious, it's like exactly the reddit picture, but here.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:

Dogg I don't know what to tell you if you honestly think the United States does a better job taking care of its poorest and most vulnerable population than China. We have massive encampments in every major city and the only help our government provides is sending the pigs to arrest them and throw away their poo poo.

No wonder you've been banned so many times you're an incredibly obnoxious poster.

Literally no one here is saying that. If you're going to claim homelessness isn't a problem in China then don't deflect the nanosecond you're proven wrong.

HORNEY VAPE BRO
Jun 14, 2009

Bum the Sad posted:

Lol nice meltdown. I never said anything about the United States.

You're the moron who velcroed weights to the steering wheel of his Tesla to get around self-driving safety features. Go crash into a preschool

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Hell Gem

HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:

You're the moron who velcroed weights to the steering wheel of his Tesla to get around self-driving safety features. Go crash into a preschool

Taiwan #1

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



"We can't allow a government censorship gap between ourselves and the Chinese! It's imperative that we ban social media for laughably dubious reasons to match them!"

lil poopendorfer
Nov 13, 2014

by the sex ghost
Posting five individual homeless people is kinda quaint compared to the encampments in most US cities

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Hell Gem

lil poopendorfer posted:

Posting five individual homeless people is kinda quaint compared to the encampments in most US cities

Organ harvest truck had the day off.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

lol The /r/Sino posters have arrived

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kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER

HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:

Dogg I don't know what to tell you if you honestly think the United States does a better job taking care of its poorest and most vulnerable population than China. We have massive encampments in every major city and the only help our government provides is sending the pigs to arrest them and throw away their poo poo.

No wonder you've been banned so many times you're an incredibly obnoxious poster.

If you don't have the money to see a doctor in China, you don't see a doctor. Here, you just go into debt slavery.

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