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Well there's no point fighting for your freedom from fundamentalist tyranny if doing so would be a bit hypocritical, best go home everyone and transform into Little Russia.
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Mister Speaker posted:Hey none of y'all answered my questions from before: this almost certainly American late-30s comfortably financially secure man who has never faced a significant hardship in his entire life is a badass and he IS ABOUT TO BLOW
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Strategic Tea posted:Well there's no point fighting for your freedom from fundamentalist tyranny if doing so would be a bit hypocritical, best go home everyone and transform into Little Russia. We need Norm more than ever
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Mar 29, 2023 22:58
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:this almost certainly American late-30s comfortably financially secure man who has never faced a significant hardship in his entire life is a badass and he IS ABOUT TO BLOW Wrong on every count except late-30s. gently caress Israel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1oH9jnx3c
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Everyone in this thread please let us know if you are good or evil. As for your question, there hasn't been a massive turnout to any Palestinian related cause in my own living memory (so let's say 15-20 years).
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Mar 29, 2023 23:14
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im evil and i want the palestinians to win
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Mar 29, 2023 23:17
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yeah I support BDS Balls Dicks and Scrotes
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Mar 29, 2023 23:19
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kiminewt posted:As for your question, there hasn't been a massive turnout to any Palestinian related cause in my own living memory (so let's say 15-20 years). Exactly.
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Mar 29, 2023 23:22
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Mister Speaker posted:Hey none of y'all answered my questions from before: Nobody's obligated to answer any posts
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Mister Speaker posted:Wrong on every count except late-30s.
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Mister Speaker posted:Exactly. Pack it in, israeliures
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:The protests are against a power grab by an all-but-outright cheerleader of West Bank settlement and genocide of Palestinians, but please, tell us more about how Israel and the people who live there deserve this. They elected him.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:The protests are against a power grab by an all-but-outright cheerleader of West Bank settlement and genocide of Palestinians, but please, tell us more about how Israel and the people who live there deserve this. I don't think anyone deserves it, but the average israeli protester shouldn't be surprised and they should expect it to keep happening and getting worse it's hard to stop at just a little bit of fascist oppression and genocide of a minority
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:im evil and i want the palestinians to win Same, but I also want Bibi to lose
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kiminewt posted:Everyone in this thread please let us know if you are good or evil. Chaotic Neutral 
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kiminewt posted:Everyone in this thread please let us know if you are good or evil.
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Mar 30, 2023 03:10
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Why can't people elect well meaning centrists that do bad stuff with decorum instead of assholes 
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HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:Still laughing at the Israeli poster itt who said that Israeli police never kill anybody and that the Arab population needs to be policed harder for their own good.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:The protests are against a power grab by an all-but-outright cheerleader of West Bank settlement and genocide of Palestinians, but please, tell us more about how Israel and the people who live there deserve this. what if I think poorly of Israel but think Jews own? How am I supposed to own up to this?
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:The protests are against a power grab by an all-but-outright cheerleader of West Bank settlement and genocide of Palestinians, but please, tell us more about how Israel and the people who live there deserve this. HORNEY VAPE BRO posted:Still laughing at the Israeli poster itt who said that Israeli police never kill anybody and that the Arab population needs to be policed harder for their own good.
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Israel pretending that there's some way out of this poo poo is as laughable as the United States pretending there's a way out of whatever the gently caress we've done in the US to ourselves with guns and Trump: sorry, guys, you did it! You got your apartheid dictator state and it sucks dick! Whoops!
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They’re gonna Sideshow Bob themselves by outing this guy and electing Adolf Hitler 2, But Jewish in his place
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DGP Space Lion posted:As for your questions: I hope Bibi himself takes a poo poo down your throat op. stay safe
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Sorry to be an apologist for that guy but he's technically correct. The people you see killing / harrasing / whatever Palestinians are military police, which are a completely separate group to the "regular" police whicu acts inside Israel-proper. He was referring specifically to "Arab-Israelis"/Palestinian-Israelis which are Palestinians who live inside Israel (i.e. Not in Gaza, the west bank or east Jerusalem), and they are policed by the regular police. In their specific case police does not kill them, though they are discriminated against both in laws and very often just in society. This is all, of course, of little comfort to the Palestinians in the occupied territories, but
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:The protests are against a power grab by an all-but-outright cheerleader of West Bank settlement and genocide of Palestinians, but please, tell us more about how Israel and the people who live there deserve this. Millions of Israelis being in the streets and doing a general strike over some dumb bougie bullshit that would 0 practical impact on their day to day lives is an indictment of israelis.
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kiminewt posted:they are policed by the regular police. In their specific case police does not kill them, though they are discriminated against both in laws and very often just in society.   https://www.972mag.com/14-israeli-citizens-gunned-police-one-indictment/  https://www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/campaigns-blog/israeli-police-used-ruthless-excessive-force-against-palestinian-protesters also check out how many were killed by israeli cops in this list: https://mondoweiss.net/2022/12/231-palestinians-were-killed-this-year-these-are-their-stories/
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I like how Palestinians are so hosed at this point that they don't even factor into this conversation, just Arab Israelis not being policed enough and how awful it is that Benji could be democratic dictator for another 20 years after being democratic dictator for 20 years
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The context was clearly about the protests, you can stop melting downFumble posted:So you can protest there with out being loving shot, gassed and a tank driven over you house? DGP Space Lion posted:As for your questions:
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Schweinhund posted:The context was clearly about the protests, you can stop melting down israeli police kill Palestinians like this but the IDF kill Palestinians like that.
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ekuNNN posted:interesting stuff I never claimed there are zero deaths, just trying to make a distinction. That last list is again of Palestinians killed in the occupied territories, not of Israeli citizens. I am not trying to minimise the death and suffering of the Palestinians but it's just not the context in whcih we are talking about. This was originally about how the police can manage to disperse a protest without people getting killed. Showing that the entire Israeli police force killed 14 people (both Arabs and jews) throughout one year tells you that the overwhelming majority of police officers are not remotely involved in killing. This is what apartheid and occupation is about. There are two systems for different people. The Arab Israelis are far better off than the ones in the occupied territories, but they are still second class citizens.
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sounds like netanyahu should have spent more time running his country and less time fiddling around with his motorcycle imo
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Call Your Grandma posted:sounds like netanyahu should have spent more time running his country and less time fiddling around with his motorcycle imo it's probably good for the Palestinians that he didn't
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Terminal autist posted:Millions of Israelis being in the streets and doing a general strike over some dumb bougie bullshit that would 0 practical impact on their day to day lives is an indictment of israelis.
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kiminewt posted:The Arab Israelis are far better off than the ones in the occupied territories, but they are still second class citizens. To add to this, and keeping in mind the distinction between Palestinians living in the occupied territories under military rule, who have basically zero rights, and those living in Israel as citizens (i.e. Arab-Israelis), who ostensibly have equal rights to Jewish Israelis... The Israeli state is institutionally racist and discriminatory toward the Arab-Israeli population. Their communities are underfunded and under-supported in everything - education, infrastructure, social services, etc. Israeli police ignoring those communities is a symptom of that discrimination, in that a crime there is far less likely to be prevented or investigated than in Jewish communities, and far more likely to simply be treated with an indifferent shrug. In that context I read the OP's post as a criticism of this situation rather than an attempt to minimize or even encourage oppression by Israel towards its Arab citizens. I totally understand if people are skeptical or suspicious and would rather not extend OP the benefit of the doubt considering the amount of frothing racism rampant in Israeli society, but personally I'm like 99% sure that was the intent. I also get if people don't see a meaningful distinction between Israel's treatment of the Palestinians who are not its citizens vs those who are, but in terms of understanding the intent behind the OP I think it's relevant. It was clumsily worded but I genuinely don't think there was malice in it.
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The israeli constitution has a nice rider stating only Jewish israelis have the right of national self determination in Israel, which is pretty racist no matter how you cut it. If arab list somehow got into government there is a good chance the right wing would argue they cannot be in government because of this.
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There is no Israeli constitution. The are "Basic Laws" and one like the one you mentioned which was introduced a few years back. The dumb thing is that they can get passed with a simple majority, which is part of the issue with the current clusterfuck. There was an Arab (Islamic) party in the previous government. There were various attempts to get them (and others banned) since it is indeed illegal for a party to be against Israel as a "democratic Jewish state". I honestly hate Israel, and it's governments (even the left). I don't know how I came to play apologist in this thread.
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