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Deltasquid posted:Plus you’d either have to take the Eastern Bloc’s pre-1990 statistics at face value (lol. Lmao, even) or you’d have to exclude Eastern Europe from your statistics to avoid comparing pre-1990 apples to post-1990 pears Yes indeed, I was earlier phone posting and had difficulty in writing what I meant. There's a 'countries' missing there too... In theory and I suppose also often in practise there was zero unemployment in the socialist block. It doesn't mean that everyone was working, though, they just weren't unemployed. My primary school teacher told this story when I was kid, about his trip to socialist Poland. At the airport he witnessed a jeep of some kind driving to a flag pole to raise the flag, and there were three workers in the vehicle. He then said that there was zero unemployment there and winked. Weeeelll, I wouldn't take anecdotal account at face value because I too have experienced in market capitalist system that some times it's worth it to put lots of guys in one car and send them to do a simple task, because AFTER THAT they go to their actual destination where everyone's input is needed. Some inefficiency happens in every system, but some of it is acceptable because it would be even more inefficient to split the team in two parts with their own vehicles. So my teacher was bullshitting to make a point. I guess it worked because I still remember it so well. But the matter remains that under socialist system no one is left without a worker status, even if there is no work. Like a ferry driver who has no ferry but still has the ferry driver's hut so he can go to spend his days there watching the river. And like you say, under a one party rule official statistics are what they are. There's just no continuity. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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Nenonen posted:
There was a saying in socialist Poland addressing that phenomenon - "whether you lie or stand, you deserve two grand"
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Apr 27, 2024 22:37
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Nenonen posted:My primary school teacher told this story when I was kid, about his trip to socialist Poland. At the airport he witnessed a jeep of some kind driving to a flag pole to raise the flag, and there were three workers in the vehicle. He then said that there was zero unemployment there and winked.
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Apr 28, 2024 00:17
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Back Hack posted:everything in power have this thing categorize as a light reconnaissance vehicle. It is mobile protected firepower  They came a hair’s breadth from just calling it a mobile field gun bunker.
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Apr 28, 2024 04:36
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Szarrukin posted:There was a saying in socialist Poland addressing that phenomenon - "whether you lie or stand, you deserve two grand" V. nice translation.
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Apr 28, 2024 06:57
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I've only heard the five grand version, must have been adjusted for inflation  Very nice translation, even keeping the rhyme.
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Apr 28, 2024 08:55
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Mr. Apollo posted:I remember reading that cars from the eastern bloc, like the Trabant, were designed to be inefficient to produce so the factories would require a lot of workers. So, while the countries had lots of employment, their productivity rates were low compared to western countries.
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Apr 28, 2024 15:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc436PwqeqM
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Apr 28, 2024 16:29
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:I’ve read similar anecdotes that factory output was often measured in tons not units, so it was better as a factory manager to make 100 refrigerators that weighed 100kg each than to make 150 refrigerators weighing 50kg each. Then you could tell your boss you produced 10 tons of refrigerators instead of 7.5 tons and get promoted, or similarly just make the refrigerators you already make 10% heavier and boom you have an paper 10% increase in production. I think the most famous story on this topic, which as far as I know is mostly true, is the nail factory that produced only the tiniest most useless nails to meet unit quotas. When this was noticed due to a shortage of actual useful nails, the quota was changed to weight instead, so they immediately started producing only the biggest, most useless nails. Mission accomplished!
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Apr 29, 2024 06:37
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Lot of reports from a variety of news services about increased Russian ''tactical gains'' along the entire front the past few days. I am have trouble finding anything concrete on exactly where and what that means, ISW interactive map not telling much. Anyone have other sources reporting on this, and if breakthroughs are actually occurring or are the Ukrainians falling back in order?
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Apr 29, 2024 14:07
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Dick Ripple posted:Lot of reports from a variety of news services about increased Russian ''tactical gains'' along the entire front the past few days. I am have trouble finding anything concrete on exactly where and what that means, ISW interactive map not telling much. Anyone have other sources reporting on this, and if breakthroughs are actually occurring or are the Ukrainians falling back in order? On the Avdiivka direction in Ocheretyne Russians managed to exploit a Ukranian mistake in troop rotation and have broken through there. Nothing major but Ukraine has to fall back to better defensible positions. On the Bakhmut direction Chasiv Yar is being threatened. It's not a great situation.
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Apr 29, 2024 14:16
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https://frontelligence.substack.com/p/fronteline-analysis-a-concise-look This is a current assessment.
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Apr 29, 2024 14:18
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The thing about tactical gains is that they're almost invisible on a strategic map like from ISW. But tactical gains are still gains and they can add up. The coming few weeks/months we're gonna see Russia going all in to gain as much territory as possible before the ammo arrives at the front and Ukraine can stabilize things more.
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Apr 29, 2024 14:35
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Some numbers on how many Ukrainian men actually try to avoid conscription. https://hromadske.ua/suspilstvo/223135-za-dva-roky-v-ukrayini-vidkryly-mayze-11-tysiach-sprav-shchodo-ukhyliantiv-ofis-henprokurora Hromadske posted:Almost 11 Thousand Cases Against Military Service Evaders Opened in Ukraine over Two Years - Prosecutor General's Office It's interesting how few, comparatively speaking, actually go to court, and that only 60 cases resulted in imprisonment.
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Apr 29, 2024 17:52
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Paladinus posted:Some numbers on how many Ukrainian men actually try to avoid conscription. I'm guessing getting sent out there is considered punishment enough for all but the most egregious.
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Apr 29, 2024 17:54
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mawarannahr posted:I'm guessing getting sent out there is considered punishment enough for all but the most egregious. There are no numbers on how many of them end up at the front lines and I don't think it's even impossible to gauge how many that would be. To be clear, those cases are opened when someone fails to report to their local conscription office in time, and that includes people who wouldn't be sent to fight anyway. So I'm sure that a non-insignificant number of cases were either due to just pure clerical errors or people not getting their summons at the right address/not being able to make it in time despite their best efforts in the chaos of internal migration. The 60 who went to prison, I would assume, actually tried to skip town when it was clear they would be sent to fight.
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Apr 29, 2024 18:04
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Is Ukraine eventually going to have to conscript every able bodied male 18+?
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Apr 29, 2024 18:19
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Charliegrs posted:Is Ukraine eventually going to have to conscript every able bodied male 18+? Literally every male You, me, all of us
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Apr 29, 2024 18:21
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Literally every male They said "able bodied" so goons don't need to bother
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Apr 29, 2024 18:23
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Literally every male Even my balls??????
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Apr 29, 2024 18:41
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Xiahou Dun posted:Even my balls?????? I know there's a whole book series on "what if spy novels but also Lovecraftian horrors", but you'd think unleashing the Deep Ones on the battle field would be a major war crime 
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Apr 29, 2024 18:54
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MikeC posted:https://frontelligence.substack.com/p/fronteline-analysis-a-concise-look Thank you, this is good stuff. Although a rather bleak assessment in that they do not think Ukraine will be able to stabilize the line until the fall. And the lack of fortifications being built is another one of those head scratchers. I can only assume it has something to do with the lack of manpower.
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Apr 29, 2024 19:36
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/timeso...w/109696911.cms U.S. buys 81 old Soviet era aircraft for "reasons". Some talk of being used as decoys or for parts. I'm leaning towards parts myself but I know nothing of the shelf life for avionics.
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Apr 29, 2024 19:56
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Dick Ripple posted:Thank you, this is good stuff. Although a rather bleak assessment in that they do not think Ukraine will be able to stabilize the line until the fall. And the lack of fortifications being built is another one of those head scratchers. I can only assume it has something to do with the lack of manpower. Noteworthy fortifications across large sectors of front are a major investment of resources. When your cities are getting bombed, you have to make choices like whether to build more shelters in cities or build new housing for people who have lost their homes or build bunkers for a fortified line that may or may not end up being useful. Without hard shelters extensive trenchworks are also useless. Ukraine has given up anti-personnel land mines as part of the Ottawa treaty, so they can't build the same kind of extensive minefield as Russians did either - and one has to wonder if they'd want to do so to that degree even if they still had them, as it's their land that needs to be cleaned afterwards. Antitank mines alone don't make a strong defensive construction, as infantry or ~*golf carts*~ can run across without triggering them.
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Apr 29, 2024 19:58
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Dirt5o8 posted:https://www.google.com/amp/s/timeso...w/109696911.cms Parts, yes, but mostly denying said parts to the Russians I'd wager.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:04
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Parts, yes, but mostly denying said parts to the Russians I'd wager. A lot of those models aren't really used by Russia any more.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:06
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OddObserver posted:A lot of those models aren't really used by Russia any more. I am confident that their newer planes share 50% of their parts with the stuff from the 70's and 80's.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:14
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Charliegrs posted:Is Ukraine eventually going to have to conscript every able bodied male 18+?
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