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i only say that because his response to it, or rather his response not to it, but the common conception of language it offers, comprises the first hundred or so remarks of the whole work, from which follows an investigation into rule following, then the necessary social aspect of language, then of what's really at the bottom of the common mind/body dichotomy. it's not that it defies summary necessarily, but the book is very carefully written and the ideas can only be done justice by working through the remarks yourself
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Apr 16, 2023 21:10
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reading the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus some 13-odd years ago seemed to only confirm at first my hard atheist worldview, a mistake similar to the ones made by the logical positivists of the early 20th century when they read it. when I read Philosophical Investigations, which is somewhat of a repudiation of the earlier work, and I read more biographical material about Wittgenstein, I came to realize that I had it backwards. Reading and re-reading these works over the years and then doing some of my own thinking improbably made a space for religion in my life once again, something that I would have considered utterly laughable all those years ago
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mycophobia posted:reading the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus some 13-odd years ago seemed to only confirm at first my hard atheist worldview, a mistake similar to the ones made by the logical positivists of the early 20th century when they read it. when I read Philosophical Investigations, which is somewhat of a repudiation of the earlier work, and I read more biographical material about Wittgenstein, I came to realize that I had it backwards. Reading and re-reading these works over the years and then doing some of my own thinking improbably made a space for religion in my life once again, something that I would have considered utterly laughable all those years ago Yeah, same with me and Kierkegaard It also goes with growing up and realizing that people who died more than 50 years ago could still be pretty smart and apply their brains to their own experiences as well or better than we can now
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Apr 16, 2023 21:59
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ive been wanting to check out kierkegaard but im very lazy
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Apr 16, 2023 22:03
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Yeah, he's not easy, I keep meaning to return to him but haven't for years. But since this thread toured around Wittgenstein, the Greeks, and the Bible, he's right in the middle of all that. Despite being very religious, he works just as well if you're an existentialist or a post-modernist. "The matter is quite simple. The bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand, we are obliged to act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly."
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Apr 17, 2023 06:26
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The Gospel according to Tim Minchin posted:If you just close your eyes and block your ears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTxTpo-7zU&t=20s
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Apr 17, 2023 11:18
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mycophobia posted:a summary won't do it justice and it'll get mangled, i implore that no one else attempt it. read Philosophical Investigations, get it from the man himself you cannot stop me! only my inability to summarise it to my own satisfaction can Sections 3.3 and 3.4 here are as good an explanation as I've seen. as mycophobia says though it's not that amenable to reduction you've got to let the big W show it to you https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein/#PhilInve
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Apr 17, 2023 11:44
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Judgy Fucker posted:There is To put words on God’s (or gods’) lips is blasphemy.
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Apr 19, 2023 07:53
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Judgy Fucker posted:There is to be no editing of posts are the revealed words of the divine. To put words on God’s (or gods’) lips is blasphemy.
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Apr 19, 2023 07:53
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Judgy Fucker posted:There is to be no editing of posts in this thread. All posts in this thread are the revealed words of the divine. To be not editing of posts in this thread are revealed words of the divine Add in later: Judgy Fucker posted:put words on God’s (or gods’) lips is blasphemy.
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Apr 19, 2023 07:55
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Didn’t expect to see someone role play changing texts through manual transmission when I started the thread. But I love it
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Apr 19, 2023 12:01
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Every so often I think about how in the book of Acts, Judas simply exploded.
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Apr 19, 2023 14:59
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worm girl posted:Every so often I think about how in the book of Acts, Judas simply exploded. You gotta quote the scripture, too! Acts 1:16-18 posted:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
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Apr 19, 2023 15:15
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hosed up you all are writing g-ds name like that
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Apr 19, 2023 15:36
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Wait, so Judas basically went out like a water balloon?
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Apr 19, 2023 15:53
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Wait, so Judas basically went out like a water balloon? According to whoever wrote Acts. According to Matthew, Judas hanged himself: Matthew 27:1-5 posted:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: Both traditions talk about a field being purchased with the 30 pieces of silver, which is really interesting. In Acts Judas buys it for himself, then blows up. In Matthew, the priests in the Temple take the money to buy a field to bury poor commoners in: Matthew 27:6-10 posted:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
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Some (two?) of the gospels say that Judas hanged himself, and that's generally the accepted story. Most scholars believe either that Acts is apocrypha, or the writer was making some sort of metaphorical statement, or possibly the writer was describing something that can happened to hanged bodies sometimes where they bloat up and burst after a while. But that's all going beyond the text. The book says he tripped in a field and gibbed for no reason.
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Apr 19, 2023 15:58
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i am not sure how relevant this is to the thread, but the translation of the Hebrew Bible by Robert Alter is pretty great.
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Apr 27, 2023 13:23
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mycophobia posted:ive been wanting to check out kierkegaard but im very lazy do fear and trembling, that’s a wonderful exploration about the concept of faith
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Apr 27, 2023 17:35
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I found a Stephen Mitchell version of the Tao Te Ching at a Goodwill the other day. It's another version that's more of a rendition than a translation, but it's a favorite of mine since it was the first version of the book I ever read. Very lucky find, I hope I can get an actually good translation one day.
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Early Christian convert: “So, how’d Judas die?” Guy who definitely didn’t kill Judas: “hanged himself” Guy who also definitely didn’t kill Judas, at same time: “exploded” Church fathers: “I heard he got super fat and then run over by a car” Papias, Expositions of the Sayings of the Lord posted:Judas walked about in this world a sad example of impiety; for his body having swollen to such an extent that he could not pass where a chariot could pass easily, he was crushed by the chariot, so that his bowels gushed out.
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Apropos of nothing, my fave bible verses are acts 19:11-16 A demon says to some poseurs: "I know Jesus and Paul. Who the gently caress are you jokers?" Then he beats the snot out of them, hijacks their laundry, and hucks their naked asses out the door. Also https://www.blueletterbible.org is my go-to for searching up scriptures and bible stuff on the internet
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May 13, 2023 02:15
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It's not very good to be honest. Lots of plot holes and an unreliable narrative.
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Wittgenstein should've poked that guy, imo
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Very foreskin-centric. Why so much noise about foreskins?
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Does the Hebrew Bible even talk about circumcision all that much? Curious to know how far back that custom dates. If the oldest parts of the Old Testament were codified circa 500 BCE, how long before then were Hebrews mutilating genitals?
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There’s a famously baffling passage in Exodus where God meets Moses and Zipporah and their kid on the road and out of nowhere tries to kill Moses (or maybe the kid?), and Zipporah just decides to circumcise her son with a sharp stone on the spot to calm God down. Conclusion, God hates foreskins. Can’t stand em e: excellent article on it where every page is half footnote at least actual Biblical scholar posted:The difficulties of identifying the actors and explaining their actions lend this brief vignette the surrealism of a nightmare. skasion fucked around with this message at 15:58 on May 25, 2023 |
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