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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

It was pretty bleak hearing multiple people say that "it all fades away" no matter what kind of success you achieve. I feel like it broke Danny.

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Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

Mu Zeta posted:

It was pretty bleak hearing multiple people say that "it all fades away" no matter what kind of success you achieve. I feel like it broke Danny.

It did basically kick everything off after it had calmed down. That bit stuck out for me as pretty sad because while it was something he very much didn't want to hear, it was Amy being honest with him, even if she was harsh and wasn't trying to help.

He's not sure why he doesn't feel better despite being in a much better spot and she gives him the honest answer that success only feels good for a bit but at some point you're still back to needing to either fix your poo poo or find a way to bury it again.

Pachylad
Jul 12, 2017

'it all fades away' was pretty bleak, but what really hit me was Amy telling Danny "you're the reason [Paul]'s a loving child" and Danny hitting back "honestly you should stay away from [your family] too" in that same episode, just devastating in how only the person to truly hate them is also the one to (even if inadvertently) precisely diagnose them.

Hardawn
Mar 15, 2004

Don't look at the sun, but rather what it illuminates
College Slice
They were being honest, hatefully so...but it was an honest read

Nice Tuckpointing!
Nov 3, 2005

Holy poo poo George's mom is Nurse Ogawa from Star Trek The Next Generation.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Was this all dropped at once? Anyway just started a few days ago so I skipped most the posts to avoid spoiling things. Not Asian American or either separately so I'm probably missing some of the context though some sutff was pretty blatant.

In episode 3 - were we supposed to know Amy used a phots of her employee for catfishing before this? Because that was pretty :lol:, why the hell would you do that over using a phot of literally anyone else in the whole world. I mean other than setting up the possibility of them meeting.

Anyway, good stuff, though after all the crazy poo poo in episodes 1-2 I'm curious to see if the rest of the show will be relatively low-key or if things will go nuts again.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Yeah Netflix drops whole seasons at once as their policy

It was good at promoting binge watching in the early days but nowadays it feels like it turns new shows into flash-in-the-pans because the excitement hits really hard for a few weeks and then dies out

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

mobby_6kl posted:

Was this all dropped at once? Anyway just started a few days ago so I skipped most the posts to avoid spoiling things. Not Asian American or either separately so I'm probably missing some of the context though some sutff was pretty blatant.

In episode 3 - were we supposed to know Amy used a phots of her employee for catfishing before this? Because that was pretty :lol:, why the hell would you do that over using a phot of literally anyone else in the whole world. I mean other than setting up the possibility of them meeting.

Anyway, good stuff, though after all the crazy poo poo in episodes 1-2 I'm curious to see if the rest of the show will be relatively low-key or if things will go nuts again.

I think there was supposed to be a bit of weird logic that her husband was thirsting over the girl's Instagram and kept accidentally liking and sharing her pics, so it was the first one that came to mind when she needed a generic hot girl to catfish with and she wasn't exactly thinking rationally at that point. But it was slightly contrived.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I think there was supposed to be a bit of weird logic that her husband was thirsting over the girl's Instagram and kept accidentally liking and sharing her pics…

He wasn’t doing it accidentally.

But yes, she picked her coworker specifically because of her husband’s interest. There’s a through-line in the show of Asian men who fetishize and fantasize about white women (e.g. Danny looking up “AMWF” porn.) And Amy resents the poo poo out of it. She worked her rear end off to make her family prosper, struggles to be a perfect wife and mother, and while she’s horny and neglected and unfulfilled, her husband’s busy jerking off to the 20-something white girl working the register.

I suspect Amy picked the coworker to symbolically strike back at the whole situation. To get back at the coworker a little by exploiting and impersonating her, but also becoming her and thus receiving horny, grateful devotion from another Asian man who fetishizes white women. The fact Paul still treated her that way after learning (some of) the truth was probably really validating, and why she’d entertain the affair with this hot dummy in the first place.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Yeah you're right! And he does accidentally text Amy her photo later in this episode and then jerks it in the bathroom. Don't these people know porn exists.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

mobby_6kl posted:

Yeah you're right! And he does accidentally text Amy her photo later in this episode and then jerks it in the bathroom. Don't these people know porn exists.

The heart wants what the heart wants -Woody Allen

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
How do we begin to covet? We begin by coveting what we see every day. -Hannibal Lecter

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
lol I guess you've gotta do what you've gotta do.


Episode 8 now. Still generally enjoying the show but I'm noticing something about the writing that's a bit off. I think it boils down to some things just seeming to conveniently set up for maximum drama, and making the characters unreasonably monstrous. Kind of like the movie Crash maybe? Somehow it doesn't feel organic at all.

Danny pinning road rage on Isaac. You can see how he solves an immediate problem so there's character motivation but getting your cousin locked up seems like would require a bit more consideration considering the likely fallout.

June getting into Danny's truck. There's probably enough time for her to do while George gets the gun or something and again it's set up by her saying she hate him but seems a bit much that a small child would get herself and a dog into a stranger's (ok he gave her skittles once maybe?) truck.

Danny throwing out the college letters, again it's somewhat motivated by a brief exchange but hoooooly poo poo that's like thermonuclear level shitead, :killing: if it ever comes out, behavior that is above and beyond what I can reasonably see young Danny doing.

I'm sure it's all likely to play out in the next episodes of course, but it all seems to be there just to move pieces around rather than something I could see the characters doing.

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang
I think all of those things flow easily from previous character moments. Every scene with Danny and his brother involves him demeaning or belittling him, even when it is clear that his brother is just better. Think back to the exercise scene where it's clear Danny is kind of a chump and his brother is at "Instagram model" levels, yet Danny is continuing to act like he knows better. Danny is deeply insecure about his brother being better than him, and realizing his brother is likely to go to a UC and leave him behind breaks him.

June climbing in the car makes plenty of sense. At that point George and Danny are genuine best friends and since George is always single-parenting June, she probably knows Danny quite well.

Pachylad
Jul 12, 2017

Huh surprised to see no one talk about this:

https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1762195278059475166

Slightly disappointed they're not focusing on another PoC environment but maybe Lee Sung-Jin doesn't feel comfortable writing outside his own milieus. I'd still watch and be tenatively excited.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Probably because the actual story seems to be that Lee Sung Jin would like for those to be the cast members but Netflix hasn’t said anything.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Charles Melton was great in May December but I can’t stomach the rest of the cast turning pasty white. It was nice to have a limited series with an Asian cast.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Vegetable posted:

Charles Melton was great in May December but I can’t stomach the rest of the cast turning pasty white. It was nice to have a limited series with an Asian cast.

Also, if this goes ahead, we're also gonna be losing the 90's energy which was the other notable aesthetic element from the original.

I'll be there watching day one, but I'm not sure what makes this different from something like FEUD*, or pretty much any single season narrative that features an escalating conflict between characters. But this is early days, we've really not got anything more significant here than: BEEF -- Couple's Challenge. I'm obviously jumping to conclusions, based on very little. But I guess that's the fun of speculating, it's just a laugh

*honestly, FEUD is more specific in that both seasons concern style icons from mid-century Americana, with a gently caress tonne of boomer queer energy.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Asians are OVER

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010

Open Source Idiom posted:

Also, if this goes ahead, we're also gonna be losing the 90's energy which was the other notable aesthetic element from the original.

I'll be there watching day one, but I'm not sure what makes this different from something like FEUD*, or pretty much any single season narrative that features an escalating conflict between characters. But this is early days, we've really not got anything more significant here than: BEEF -- Couple's Challenge. I'm obviously jumping to conclusions, based on very little. But I guess that's the fun of speculating, it's just a laugh

*honestly, FEUD is more specific in that both seasons concern style icons from mid-century Americana, with a gently caress tonne of boomer queer energy.

Casting two up and coming actors against two established megastars leads me to believe that they're leaning into the class struggle element of it. Anne Hathaway could play the Maria Bello role in her sleep.

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Chicken Butt
Oct 27, 2010
“BEEF: now 65% less spicy”

…. “Gluten- and -allergen free!”

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