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zimbomonkey posted:Seems like Morgan is mostly the same guy as fitterer when it comes to drafting. Lots of trades, lots of questionable choices, lots of gambling that doesn't pay off. I thought this draft was a bit safer and more targeted than fitterers usual: Legette, Brooks, and Sanders are good choices when you just need some more weapons on offense for your tiny qb. i dont know that all the moving around paid off particularly but those look like solid picks
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zimbomonkey posted:Seems like Morgan is mostly the same guy as fitterer when it comes to drafting. Lots of trades, lots of questionable choices, lots of gambling that doesn't pay off. Opinion is a little split on how fast Legette, Brooks, Wallace and Sanders grow into actual players but I trust Morgan with Kuechly to find a linebacker and both Legette and Sanders are good receivers who are athletic enough to contribute right away. Panthers were below replacement level last year at wide receiver, running back and tight end and badly needed defensive depth. They hit every single one of those needs. The argument is just around whether or not you believe in the guys they picked at this point - who cares, we'll know in 6 months.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I thought this draft was a bit safer and more targeted than fitterers usual: Yes, those were the obvious picks though. Most picks they could have made had several positions of need. But they traded up to take a leggette, who I'm not entirely sold on especially with some of the other receivers they passed on. They didn't do anything more to address the line and I'm not a big fan of the plan to start Corbett at center. They traded up in the second to draft a running back with injury history and the team they traded with took another great running back with their original pick. Then they took a physical tools/upside linebacker in the third like DJ Allen last year (that worked out great!) who is all projection right now. Also they had to panic trade up for him because they traded back and one of the two linebackers they apparently wanted was drafted between their original pick and their new pick. I actually like the JT pick but I liked the Ian Thomas pick too and, welp... Even if the results end up different, the methodology is very much the same.
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BlindSite posted:Opinion is a little split on how fast Legette, Brooks, Wallace and Sanders grow into actual players but I trust Morgan with Kuechly to find a linebacker and both Legette and Sanders are good receivers who are athletic enough to contribute right away. No, we won't find out in 6 months. If everyone is bad in 6 months then we'll have to give them all a pass because we know the problem is the 5'10" elephant in the room.
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zimbomonkey posted:Yes, those were the obvious picks though. Most picks they could have made had several positions of need. But they traded up to take a leggette, who I'm not entirely sold on especially with some of the other receivers they passed on. They didn't do anything more to address the line and I'm not a big fan of the plan to start Corbett at center. They traded up in the second to draft a running back with injury history and the team they traded with took another great running back with their original pick. Then they took a physical tools/upside linebacker in the third like DJ Allen last year (that worked out great!) who is all projection right now. Also they had to panic trade up for him because they traded back and one of the two linebackers they apparently wanted was drafted between their original pick and their new pick. I actually like the JT pick but I liked the Ian Thomas pick too and, welp... Even if the results end up different, the methodology is very much the same. yea the two trade ups were unnecessary and I do not like the LB pick at all. Idk who in their front office keeps picking dudes who have no instincts to play a position entirely predicated on instinctual play the actual players they got i feel fine about (outside the LB) for those first few picks. i do think this draft did nothing to solve the issue that they gutted the defense in the offseason by trading or letting dudes walk. from where im sitting the defense got a lot worse and got not real answers in the draft but the offense should be something resembling normal if they get average production from these guys (assuming tiny qb can play at a backup level)
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zimbomonkey posted:Yes, those were the obvious picks though. Most picks they could have made had several positions of need. But they traded up to take a leggette, who I'm not entirely sold on especially with some of the other receivers they passed on. They didn't do anything more to address the line and I'm not a big fan of the plan to start Corbett at center. They traded up in the second to draft a running back with injury history and the team they traded with took another great running back with their original pick. Then they took a physical tools/upside linebacker in the third like DJ Allen last year (that worked out great!) who is all projection right now. Also they had to panic trade up for him because they traded back and one of the two linebackers they apparently wanted was drafted between their original pick and their new pick. I actually like the JT pick but I liked the Ian Thomas pick too and, welp... Even if the results end up different, the methodology is very much the same. Legette is a box out athlete with good long speed, he's a lot like Devante Adams was coming out and he got compared a lot to guys like DK Metcalf, he's a little raw at the technical aspects of the position, but he still high points well, out runs guys and has great hands / body control. He's a well built, strong receiver and he produced against guys who got drafted. I think Legette was really underrated. The running back had a torn ACL but he had under 250 carries in college. There's not really much to worry about with injuries there. Everyone panics with knees and that's fine, but it's not like the guy had dozens of injuries and fell because of it. I don't rate Corbett either but they did replace the starting guards in free agency, Moton is fine and we weren't getting a LT upgrade. Brady Christensen has also been getting some reps at centre in the OTAs - so the coaching staff might like their options there more than we know. JT is a very different prospect to Ian Thomas, he's a lot faster and a lot more athletically gifted. He's very smooth, he's just not very well rounded, but again the type of guy he is, he will be a solid contributor. Just might never be elite. Either way again - the position needed an upgrade and we got the best available guy at the spot when we picked. zimbomonkey posted:No, we won't find out in 6 months. If everyone is bad in 6 months then we'll have to give them all a pass because we know the problem is the 5'10" elephant in the room. Even if Bryce retired tomorrow we needed upgrades at WR, RB and TE and we at least took at swing at all three. Panthers were awful at several spots offensively and defensively the team chose to build the offense first this year. I don't mind the strategy. We were the worst team in the NFL, we need depth, we need options. They got 'em. No need to write the draft class off before they play a down.
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BlindSite posted:Panthers were awful at several spots offensively and defensively the team chose to build the offense first this year. I don't mind the strategy. We were the worst team in the NFL, we need depth, we need options. They got 'em. No need to write the draft class off before they play a down. I'm tired of hearing this logic every year. You could pick a random position from a hat and odds are the Panthers needed it. The job isn't to draft players at positions of need, it's to draft the most and best players at positions of need, to get value, and to build a good team. The Panthers have not done that with the same methodology they've used the last few years, I don't know why we should expect it to work now.
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