Noche UFC Grasso/Shevchenko 2: No one is more Mexican than Kevin Holland

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kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Valentina is like a 7/8 choke artist.

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CarlCX: Dec 14, 2003

oh, good, it turns out it's total bullshit

# ? Sep 17, 2023 05:58

mister: Dec 18, 2011

Round 5 was the 10-8? How?

# ? Sep 17, 2023 05:58

double negative: Jul 7, 2003

great fight, close as hell, but 10-8 rd 5 is absolutely insane

# ? Sep 17, 2023 05:59

rjmccall: Sep 7, 2007; no worries friend; Fun Shoe

I, uh, I hate to say it, but Shev might have a point

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:00

Jerusalem: May 20, 2004; Would you be my new best friends?

rjmccall posted:

Oh man, I got no loving clue,

I think it was unfair for the commentators to drag you so hard, Mr. Bell.

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:02

EL BROMANCE: Jun 10, 2006; COWABUNGA DUDES!
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Haven�t watched UFC much in a decade, and it�s good to see that almost nothing has changed.

700 fighters on the roster? Jesus, I remember losing most of my interest when The Ultimate Fighter was airing almost constantly and felt like it was flooding the roster.

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:02

Unperson_47: Oct 14, 2007

Yeah a 10-8 for round 5 is wild as hell. "sus" as the kids might say

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:06

CarlCX: Dec 14, 2003

https://twitter.com/SJSamano/status/1703272401075933477

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:12

chaleski: Apr 25, 2014

EL BROMANCE posted:

Haven�t watched UFC much in a decade, and it�s good to see that almost nothing has changed.

700 fighters on the roster? Jesus, I remember losing most of my interest when The Ultimate Fighter was airing almost constantly and felt like it was flooding the roster.

Now it's flooded with Contender Series fighters and it's 10x worse

Also that judge should be exiled not just from combat sports but society in general

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:12

Josuke Higashikata: Mar 7, 2013

It did change, they added a third dimension to it. There's the striking, the ground game from before but they added the be a bigot on social media game too and while you don't do that in the fight, it can get you a title shot if you're super good at it

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:22

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

CarlCX posted:

https://twitter.com/SJSamano/status/1703272401075933477

I mean, that could have covered a bunch of scorecard x result combinations.

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:22

delightful: Jul 20, 2022

I think a draw was maybe the right outcome, they both had great moments throughout the fight. I will happily watch 2 more of these - Valentina to tie it 1-1-1 and then the tiebreaker.

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:23

Brut: Aug 21, 2007

delightful posted:

I think a draw was maybe the right outcome, they both had great moments throughout the fight. I will happily watch 2 more of these - Valentina to tie it 1-1-1 and then the tiebreaker.

I think you could maybe justify a draw under pride rules, but a draw as-scored makes no sense

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:27

Goofballs: Jun 2, 2011

Did they change the rules from a 10-8 is an all time beatdown but the ref can't justify ending the fight because technically they are trying to defend themselves enough?

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:39

CarlCX: Dec 14, 2003

Goofballs posted:

Did they change the rules from a 10-8 is an all time beatdown but the ref can't justify ending the fight because technically they are trying to defend themselves enough?

don't worry, the unified rules are extremely clear about what constitutes a 10-8 round

The Unified Rules posted:

A 10 � 8 Round in MMA is where one fighter wins the round by a large margin. A 10 � 8 round
in MMA is not the most common score a judge will render, but it is absolutely essential to the
evolution of the sport and the fairness to the fighters that judges understand and effectively
utilize the score of 10 � 8. A score of 10 � 8 does not require a fighter to dominate their
opponent for 5 minutes of a round. The score of 10 � 8 is utilized by the judge when the judge
sees verifiable actions on the part of either fighter. Judges shall ALWAYS give a score of 10 � 8
when the judge has established that one fighter has dominated the action of the round, had
duration of the domination and also impacted their opponent with either effective strikes or
effective grappling maneuvers that have diminished the abilities of their opponent. Judges must
CONSIDER giving the score of 10 � 8 when a fighter shows dominance in the round even
though no impactful scoring against the opponent was achieved. MMA is an offensive based
sport. No scoring is given for defensive maneuvers. Using smart, tactically sound defensive
maneuvers allows the fighter to stay in the fight and to be competitive. Dominance of a round
can be seen in striking when the losing fighter continually attempts to defend, with no counters
or reaction taken when openings present themselves. Dominance in the grappling phase can be
seen by fighters taking DOMINANT POSITIONS in the fight and utilizing those positions to
attempt fight ending submissions or attacks. If a fighter has little to no offensive output during a
5 minute round, it should be normal for the judge to consider awarding the losing fighter 8 points
instead of 9. Judges must CONSIDER giving the score of 10 � 8 when a fighter IMPACTS their
opponent significantly in a round even though they do not dominate the action. Effectiveness in
striking or grappling which leads to a diminishing of a fighter�s energy, confidence, abilities and
spirit. All of these come as a direct result of negative impact. When a fighter is hurt with strikes,
showing a lack of control or ability, these can be defining moments in the fight. If a judge sees
that a fighter has been significantly damaged in the round the judge should CONSIDER the
score of 10 � 8.

See? Perfectly clear.

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:42

delightful: Jul 20, 2022

CarlCX posted:

don't worry, the unified rules are extremely clear about what constitutes a 10-8 round

See? Perfectly clear.

If I'm a judge how do I determine when someone has lost confidence or when someone has lost "spirit"?

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:44

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

In practice I think e: judges just hand out the 10-8 for one knockdown with otherwise even action.
Holloway x Kattar is the one that springs to mind where it was dominant and damaging throughout each round.

> an all time beatdown but the ref can't justify ending the fight
That lines up pretty closely with the definition for 10-7, which appropriately rarely happens:

A 10 � 7 Round in MMA is when a fighter completely overwhelms their opponent in Effective Striking and/or Grappling and stoppage is warranted

kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Sep 17, 2023

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:45

Goofballs: Jun 2, 2011

I'm a moron because my eyes glazed over at that, I thought it had to be Jon Fitch v BJ Penn round 3 levels of damage

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:47

mister: Dec 18, 2011

I could see giving Shevchenko a 10-8 in round 3, which would get you to 47-47 if you gave her a 10-9 in round 1 and then gave Grasso 10-9's for rounds 2, 4, and 5. I was sure that was how that judge scored it until they showed the scores on screen and said it was the fifth round that got the 10-8.

# ? Sep 17, 2023 06:48

STING 64: Oct 20, 2006

CarlCX posted:

https://twitter.com/SJSamano/status/1703272401075933477

very relatable

# ? Sep 17, 2023 07:00

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LobsterMobster: Oct 29, 2009; "I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

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Grasso objectively won because that is the outcome I wanted.

# ? Sep 18, 2023 00:53

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