UFC/MMA October: vince mcmahon is dana white's boss, it will be like USADA, but on steroids.

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Which ghost of MMA still haunts you? This poll is closed.
Nick Diaz	1	3.57%
Chuck Liddell	5	17.86%
Matt Serra	0	0%
Matt Serra	2	7.14%
Matt Serra	0	0%
Oh no you said his name three times	8	28.57%
Run	1	3.57%
RUN	11	39.29%
Total:	28 votes

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Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

e: forgot to add the original point of all this.

BOXC you are a posting treasure. Please never fake your own death on the internet.

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 01:37

ccubed: Jul 14, 2016; How's it hanging, brah?

UFC'S DERRICK LEWIS DROVE 136 MPH IN 50-MPH ZONE IN HARRIS CO., RECORDS ALLEGE

# ? Nov 1, 2023 01:23

Fozzy The Bear: Dec 11, 1999; Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

definitely a humble opinion because leg kicks only prove that the fighter doing them is a complete bitch rear end loser in the Unified Rules of Stockton.

i posted a long attempted tribute to the Diazes before their last fight, but to slightly restate, the true answer to "are the Diazes great strikers or poor strikers?" is "Yes". They are phenomenal strikers under Stockton rules. They are also pretty phenomenal strikers under normal rules, since they are able to psychologically goad people into fighting Stockton style. Which you can call a skill or an attribute or a facet of their insane existence. But they should certainly get credit for it given that they managed to convince pretty much everyone except for like GSP, Ben Henderson, and Conor in the second fight to fight as if it was Stockton rules. I think I would call it a skill. I think they realize on some level that in order to choose to be a fighter, you have to have something wrong with you. And the thing that's wrong with you is generally a psycho desire to make sure you prove that you're not a bitch rear end loser. So they can set the true scoring criteria, which generally seem to be predicated around perceiving the fight as a fight to the death:

1) who is more damaged at the end of the fight
2) who came closer to actually ending the fight, i.e. KO/subbing the opponent and theoretically being able to defenselessly kill them
3) who would win if the fight kept going
4) who looks less like a bitch rear end

...not necessarily in that order.

Based on that, you can see why something like Edwards-Diaz was actually a win for Diaz in Stockton. Yes, Nate lost on damage, but he came closer than Leon to ending the fight, and if the fight kept going, most people would have picked Nate to eventually win. Nick Diaz-Condit, neither were really damaged, but Condit can't run forever, and running is for bitches. So Carlos loses in a hypothetical fight to the death. Even something like Islam-Volk 1, it shows why it's a casually upsetting result. Islam was as damaged if not moreso, Volk came closer at the end to ending it, and Volk kills Islam if that goes to the death based on how Round 5 was going. Islam also had a bitch rear end look on his face as he was getting beat on.

Now that I think about it, Condit was very much a "This Is A Sport" guy. Not a fight to the death guy. So he gets docked a lot in this scoring. It makes sense why despite the Robbie fight probably being a slight robbery everyone was okay with Robbie winning. Robbie did more damage, came closer to ending the fight, would have won if it kept going. Condit-GSP, equally damaged, Condit DID come closer to winning the fight, but GSP still takes it if it goes endlessly.

Now, unfortunately for the Diazes they don't have much sway with athletic commissions or understanding of how the Unified Rules of MMA actually work, but it's hard to find a fight where they lost according to Stockton rules. The Josh Thomson fight, maybe the Rory/Dong fights where Nate was giving up tons of weight. I can't think of one Nick lost except maybe GSP. Nick seemed to have a weird (for him) respect for GSP's cardio and grind.

e: forgot to add the original point of all this. Which is: the best way to win fights that are held under MMA rules and regulation but actually under Stockton scoring is to try and stand and bang and knock the Diazes out. So they convince guys that's the only way they can truly actually win the fight. And then guys try to do this instead of just easily legkicking them for 15/25 minutes. Which plays right into their strengths as fighters. And makes them phenomenal, because they've convinced like 50 different guys to all fight the same exact way despite it being completely tactically insane to do.

# ? Nov 1, 2023 01:43

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Josuke Higashikata posted:

Speaking of Nate Diaz, Muhammad Ali has his moveset in UFC 5 almost 1:1. They might have took the stockton slaps and kicks off of him, but the punches are the exact same.

This is so much better than any of the answers I had in my head to the question "so how is Ali's ground game?"

# ? Nov 1, 2023 01:46

CarlCX: Dec 14, 2003

The key to understanding Stockton rules is understanding that grappling is 100% valid and acceptable, however, in this picture, the man with no control of his limbs getting punched in the face is winning the fight and if you disagree you're a bitch.

# ? Nov 1, 2023 01:54

FishBowlRobot: Mar 21, 2006

CarlCX posted:

The key to understanding Stockton rules is understanding that grappling is 100% valid and acceptable, however, in this picture, the man with no control of his limbs getting punched in the face is winning the fight and if you disagree you're a bitch.

I dunno, did the other guy flip Nate off at any point in this sequence?

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Tangy Zizzle: Aug 22, 2007; - brad

Condit was a killer, dunno why anyone could think he wouldn't have whipped Diaz if the fight went forever

# ? Nov 1, 2023 04:08

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

Now, unfortunately for the Diazes they don't have much sway with athletic commissions or understanding of how the Unified Rules of MMA actually work, but it's hard to find a fight where they lost according to Stockton rules. The Josh Thomson fight, maybe the Rory/Dong fights where Nate was giving up tons of weight. I can't think of one Nick lost except maybe GSP. Nick seemed to have a weird (for him) respect for GSP's cardio and grind.

e: forgot to add the original point of all this. Which is: the best way to win fights that are held under MMA rules and regulation but actually under Stockton scoring is to try and stand and bang and knock the Diazes out.

For Nick, he handily lost his first fight with KJ Noons on rules 1-3. He didn't really have an orthodox stance game back then, and his short chopping right that had him standing all on his front foot was totally nullified by Noons' orthodox body cross. KJ knocked him down, refused to get dragged to the ground, made Nick whiff his high kicks, and busted his nose up for the stoppage.
The rematch showed that, of course, Noons still couldn't hang on rule 4.

# ? Nov 1, 2023 06:49

DO YALL WANT A BOXC: Jul 20, 2010; HAHA! WOOOOOOO WOOO!; Fun Shoe

Tangy Zizzle posted:

Condit was a killer, dunno why anyone could think he wouldn't have whipped Diaz if the fight went forever

Shumagorath posted:

BOXC you are a posting treasure. Please never fake your own death on the internet.

thank you friend. i will be here as long as the forums exist and I don't get permaed again inshallah

DO YALL WANT A BOXC fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Nov 1, 2023

# ? Nov 1, 2023 06:57

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Some amusing screenshots I got of the fight

If yall didn't know the name,

quote:

Ngannou spoke about GIMIK Fight Promotions and noted that UFC president Dana White was unintentionally instrumental in his decision. He mentioned that White's insults towards the discussions for his boxing bouts being gimmick fights led him to use the name.

He said:
"I was just doing my thing and then at the end of the day, I put it out. It was all about gimmick fight, which is the same thing that he [Dana White] was trying to do, a gimmick fight. Next time that he has a gimmick fight, he should send it over to me, I'll handle it."

# ? Nov 1, 2023 07:37

Josuke Higashikata: Mar 7, 2013

Shumagorath posted:

Couldn�t EA have just used the mocap from Fight Night? I guess that�s slightly less lazy.

Mike Tyson is also generally generic in UFC 5 but he was in UFC 2 and had unique animations that made him actually feel like Tyson, so y'know, they give increasingly less fucks.

# ? Nov 1, 2023 13:09

Tangy Zizzle: Aug 22, 2007; - brad

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

thank you friend. i will be here as long as the forums exist and I don't get permaed again inshallah

Welp,

# ? Nov 1, 2023 13:43

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

Here's a prime example of Nick Diaz loving with someone's head and beating a fighter that could have finished him twice had he not been flustered by Nick's poo poo talking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_vrF7N7Cu8

The ref did not stop the fight on either of the Daley knockdowns because he said Nick was still shittalking while getting whomped on the ground. How disheartening must it be to drop someone and be chasing a finish, but you don't get it and the whole time he's laying there while you're punching him calling you a "pussy rear end bitch."

# ? Nov 1, 2023 15:12

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

Also Nick had absolutely insane cardio. You ever watch Nick Diaz just work a speedbag for 23 minutes straight? Here's your chance!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfz3_MrrxkU

# ? Nov 1, 2023 15:19

ilmucche: Mar 16, 2016

the diaz reality is up there with the holly holm existential crisis for fight previews. the holly holm one still fucks me up

Mr. Nice! posted:

Also Nick had absolutely insane cardio. You ever watch Nick Diaz just work a speedbag for 23 minutes straight? Here's your chance!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfz3_MrrxkU

I like to imagine this is both preceeded and followed by a rip on the bong

# ? Nov 1, 2023 15:22

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

Remember when Holly Holm kicked Ronda Rousey in the mouth so hard she couldn't eat an apple for months after?

# ? Nov 1, 2023 15:24

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 01:37

CarlCX: Dec 14, 2003

Please escort Ronda's apple therapy and Diaz commentary into the future with the November thread.

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