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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:must be something a pharmacist came up with while high on their own supply lol I mean it’s the only way to do it, anyone who has done any baking knows that a cup of flour is an inadequate way to measure flour compared to weight although one could argue it could be expressed as weight of drug in weight of fluid but that’s impractical as heck that’s why eye drops or like morphine juice eg will have 1% and then have w/v or v/v after to specify what the 1% means
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Salt Fish posted:The mega millions jackpot is not one million millions. it ALWAYS means a million
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Sagebrush posted:i am reminded of how marie curie was upset that the original value of the Curie, the unit for radioactive emission, would be defined by the radiation emitted by a infinitesimally small amount of radium (radium being extraordinarily radioactive). so she insisted that it be the amount of radiation emitted by one gram of radium instead, an extremely dangerous quantity, and because she was so famous they agreed. so we now commonly speak of fractions of microcuries, and if you ever see a whole Curie you're probably going to die apparently, at one point she came to north america and brought some of her samples with her. she visited a bunch of places including what was at the time the physics building at a local university (now the science library) to show off various experiments. that was in like the 1910s or 1920s. as might be expected safety precautions when dealing with radioactive stuff were rather lax back then, and in the 1950s someone eventually noticed that the basement of that building where the demonstrations happened still had a surprisingly high concentration of rather exotic and not-entirely-stable isotopes. the real mean stuff had already decayed by that point, but they still didn't take any chances and decontaminated the place
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echinopsis posted:lol reminder: doctors aren't scientists. they use the accoutrements of science for respectability but they don't necessarily understand why scientists do certain things, or have the grounding to think about it theoretically. your example is probably the result of doctors working out some method based on arithmetic or cooking or whatever and then trying to turn it into a scientific definition. another example https://fliptomato.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/medical-researcher-discovers-integration-gets-75-citations/ Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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otoh, this being the thread it is, i will side with feyerabend and dispute that there's such a thing as science to start with.
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philosophy peaked with diogenes
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Sagebrush posted:reminder: doctors aren't scientists. they use the accoutrements of science for respectability but they don't necessarily understand why scientists do certain things, or have the grounding to think about it theoretically. your example is probably the result of doctors working out some method based on arithmetic or cooking or whatever and then trying to turn it into a scientific definition. oh yeah for sure. well I mean idk how it is in america but our doctors (all university health professionals) have to do a first year that’s got a bunch of level 100 sciences, o chem, physics, biochem and if someone managed to make it thru that year and not get the scientific method they’d be a magician. or maybe I don’t get what you mean tbf these things are not revisited and most people forget most things so it doesn’t surprise me if they’ve forgotten enough that it might as well be they didn’t learn it in the first place here’s a cool thing : our adrenaline amps come as strengths like 1:1000 or 1:10000 or, and this one I really don’t get, is some concentrations of drugs are given as (for example) oxycodone 5mg/5mL or paracetamol 250mg/5mL i do not understand that at all, it just adds a step (an opportunity to gently caress up) when working out a dose for a kid for paracetamol for example
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Sagebrush posted:bytes are an archaic concept anyway. we don't use 8-bit computers anymore so there's no particular reason to group data that way. everything should just be measured in bits. who’s we?
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Salt Fish posted:Just because you put the letters M-E-G-A into a word doesn't mean its an SI prefix. For example, the megazord is not built out of 1 million other zords. 
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in the ostensibly very technically accurate novel, “The Martian”, the protagonist has more hydrogen than he needs and is thinking about how to make water. He then fails a high school chemistry problem.The Martian posted:Anyway, the reserve oxygen would only be enough to make 100 liters of water (50 liters of [liquid] O2 makes 100 liters of molecules that only have one O each). Why is he wrong? He’s doing volume calculations without considering density. Mass is conserved in these reactions, volume is not. 100L of water weighs 100kg, of which about 89kg is oxygen. 50L of liquid O2 (1.14 g/ml) weighs about 57kg, so fully reacted with hydrogen it could make up about 64kg of water. The “factor of two” between O2 and H2O is entirely Echi’s fellow pharmacists failing to do calculations reminded me of this. prisoner of waffles fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Dec 11, 2023 |
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To take the given numbers, arrange them in what seems to be the most plausible calculation, and get an answer is a true classic of mislearned math (and especially physical calculation) problem solving skills.
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prisoner of waffles posted:more of a comment than a question, but it does seem as though semantics and pedantry are actually wonderful if you want to confine arguments into ever-smaller and less productive paper bags. Like, a great stance to take if your language game is to nominally agree to play some larger language game, but your actual aim is to frustrate all other players. It can be used like a fractal when measuring a country's coast. It's like the semantic version of the CC game where you add more and more people to an email chain until all productivity dies, but instead you break down the discussion into an ever-expanding set of sub-arguments until everyone is fed up and you "win". fart simpson posted:nope this is just word games. the point is that people have different, fundamental interests that sometimes conflict in irreconcilable ways. in those situations you can’t really “agree” because what’s good for you is not good for me I mean in good faith the argument I'd make is one of relativist point of views where each actor in a system has a different amount of information they have access to and bounded rationality that means you can't expect full alignment. In bad faith, there's the classic counter-argument that there are some behaviors that should be agreed to as unacceptable. In bad-faith pedantry, you just have to endlessly try to move the argument towards the type of behavior that benefits you the most. Whether this should be allowed or not is subject to this very argument.
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Sagebrush posted:if you ever see a whole Curie you're probably going to die as would any white person faced with truly spicy indian curie
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MononcQc posted:I mean in good faith the argument I'd make is one of relativist point of views where each actor in a system has a different amount of information they have access to and bounded rationality that means you can't expect full alignment. In bad faith, there's the classic counter-argument that there are some behaviors that should be agreed to as unacceptable. In bad-faith pedantry, you just have to endlessly try to move the argument towards the type of behavior that benefits you the most. rationality doesnt have much to do with alignment and you cant agree on whats unacceptable if you dont agree in the first place. conflict is part of existence and it sounds like you gotta come back down to earth and open your eyes to see it
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fart simpson posted:rationality doesnt have much to do with alignment and you cant agree on whats unacceptable if you dont agree in the first place. conflict is part of existence and it sounds like you gotta come back down to earth and open your eyes to see it I mean do you frame conflict as a fundamentally permanent irremediable thing, or as a transitory state until parties can find a way to either compromise, realign visions, or repair wrongs, and then move on?
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MononcQc posted:It can be used like a fractal when measuring a country's coast. It's like the semantic version of the CC game where you add more and more people to an email chain until all productivity dies, but instead you break down the discussion into an ever-expanding set of sub-arguments until everyone is fed up and you "win". The fractal coastline metaphor is good, but only if you assume that the players of this game aim to get to some kind of success and are broadly aligned about what success means. In the limit as you add unboundedly many people to such an email chain, all reply-alls eventually converge to one of two stable topics: “please remove me from this list” and “do not reply-all; you cannot be removed because this is not a list”.
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MononcQc posted:I mean do you frame conflict as a fundamentally permanent irremediable thing, or as a transitory state until parties can find a way to either compromise, realign visions, or repair wrongs, and then move on? i think everything is transitory in the sense that nothing is static and everything is in a process of change. but there are persistent conflicts with resolutions that can basically just be the destruction of one of both parties in the conflict yeah
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MononcQc posted:I mean do you frame conflict as a fundamentally permanent irremediable thing, or as a transitory state until parties can find a way to either compromise, realign visions, or repair wrongs, and then move on? Well the latter framing definitely fits with the progressive view of history, which has always had a good fit to world affairs in the medium and long term. Now to take a sip of coffee and wake up from a decades-long coma to check the news…
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fart simpson posted:i think everything is transitory in the sense that nothing is static and everything is in a process of change. but there are persistent conflicts with resolutions that can basically just be the destruction of one of both parties in the conflict yeah Wouldn't that bring us back to the question about whether some elements should be fundamentally possible to agree/disagree on if we are to define which conflicts ought to be persistent or not? I imagine it's sort of related to Scanlon's Contractualism and related thoughts.
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what does "ought to be persistent" mean? im being descriptive not prescriptive
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fart simpson posted:what does "ought to be persistent" mean? im being descriptive not prescriptive we're gonna need more participants in order to increase the usage sample in here
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echinopsis posted:what r u guys on about we're just progressively making more and more obtuse arguments on specific terms while also being very loose with other terms and analogies until the whole discussion is meaningless.
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echinopsis posted:what r u guys on about were discussing the best way to do ur mom
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C++ is technically wrong since the evaluation would just return C and then do the increment
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echinopsis posted:oh yeah for sure. well I mean idk how it is in america but our doctors (all university health professionals) have to do a first year that’s got a bunch of level 100 sciences, o chem, physics, biochem and if someone managed to make it thru that year and not get the scientific method they’d be a magician. or maybe I don’t get what you mean they're not good at "numbers", which is concerning for people who are trusted with being the filter between evidence and patient. https://twitter.com/jeremykauffman/status/1733115062477291582
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echinopsis posted:it ALWAYS means a million the megaman march
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I thought I said that it ALWAYS means a million just coz people can’t use words correctly doesn’t change the meanings of words words are set in stone
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echinopsis posted:I thought I said that it ALWAYS means a million handed down by g*d?
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echinopsis posted:words are set in stone that only applies to words in the bible. it's open season of the rest of 'em
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well-read undead posted:that only applies to words in the bible. it's open season of the rest of 'em theres a lot of words in the bible....
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fart simpson posted:theres a lot of words in the bible.... that's true, but not all of them, it may be surprising to learn
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fart simpson posted:handed down by g*d? well-read undead posted:that only applies to words in the bible. it's open season of the rest of 'em anyway, here’s
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prisoner of waffles posted:
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:otoh, this being the thread it is, i will side with feyerabend and dispute that there's such a thing as science to start with. this one's easy, it's what scientists do
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hmm, I thought feyerabend’s point was that science can’t be constrained to be any fixed, specific method. That’s different from not existing at all or existing as a single articulable system. “science is more about the notes that you don’t play”
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