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ironlung
Dec 31, 2001

Scrambles posted:

Just posting to say I got my Olevia 537H 37" LCD from mwave.com: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA51800&RSKU=AA51800

$744 shipped, and it comes with a 1-year manufacturer in-home warranty, which gives some peace of mind when ordering online. I hooked it up, and though I haven't tested an HD source yet, all of my SD stuff looks smooth, not overly sharp and full of artifacts like SD appears on so many other HDTV's I've seen. It's prettier in person than it is in pictures, and suffers from none of the bizarre quirks that so many budget tv's have. It's universal-remote capable, the included remote doesn't totally suck, it turns on in less than 10 seconds, it doesn't seem to have issues switching sources, etc. The only negative I have experienced thusfar is that its built-in speakers are really pretty terrible, but I have it hooked up to externals anyway.

Again, I have not tested it out fully by any means, but from what I've seen and read, I would recommend it, especially given the price at mwave.

(mwave also ships via fed-ex, so no trademark UPS smashed corners!)

Just got the same TV, it came yesterday. I'm trying to notice the lovely contrast but so far everything looks really loving good, OH WELL? Next to my roommate's Vizio of the same size the picture looks sharper than his (although his still looks very good, I guess I'm just not a big enough nerd to care or something). The screen also looks a lot bigger than his for some reason.

Anyway I would definitely recommend this TV to someone on a budget.

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Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

Dreadite posted:

Can anyone give me an expert opinion on this Westinghouse 37"?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/se...=1&pagenumber=1

Maybe try skimming the thread next time.

Er1c
Nov 19, 2004

ENEMY GROUND SPOTTED

ironlung posted:

Just got the same TV, it came yesterday. I'm trying to notice the lovely contrast but so far everything looks really loving good, OH WELL? Next to my roommate's Vizio of the same size the picture looks sharper than his (although his still looks very good, I guess I'm just not a big enough nerd to care or something). The screen also looks a lot bigger than his for some reason.

Anyway I would definitely recommend this TV to someone on a budget.

Does this TV have sound input for a signal from a computer that's not on HDMI?

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

Er1c posted:

Does this TV have sound input for a signal from a computer that's not on HDMI?

I don't know if it's the same TV, but the Vizio L37 LCD has red/white audio inputs next to its HDMI.

http://www.vizio.com/support/downloads/

jester1176
Apr 19, 2007
en fuego
i'm currently in the market for a 32in HDTV for movies & games. i'm leaning toward LCD or Plasma, since I'm not a huge fan of the way DLP looks at angles. Is burn-in still a huge issue with plasma? i've seen them go really bad in the past.

jester1176 fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Apr 25, 2007

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

jester1176 posted:

i'm currently in the market for a 32in HDTV for movies & games. i'm leaning toward LCD or Plasma, since I'm not a huge fan of the way DLP looks at angles. Is burn-in still a huge issue with plasma? i've seen them go really bad in the past.

We had this discussion three pages back. Did you type "plasma burn in" into the search thread box?

CORN NOG
Sep 25, 2003

eh, better than wadded beef i guess?

Chemmy posted:

We had this discussion three pages back. Did you type "plasma burn in" into the search thread box?

Besides, I can't think of a single plasma smaller than 37".

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

ilikegrapejuice posted:

Besides, I can't think of a single plasma smaller than 37".

To be honest, unless you live in a closet, I can't understand wanting a 32" LCD. I was in the market for one until I saw that 42" plasmas were $100-$150 more.

jester1176
Apr 19, 2007
en fuego
my apartment is pretty drat small. a friend of mine has a 32in lcd in his apartment the same size and it looks just fine to me.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Chemmy posted:

To be honest, unless you live in a closet, I can't understand wanting a 32" LCD. I was in the market for one until I saw that 42" plasmas were $100-$150 more.

Many people may have the room size, but not the the location size. I know that even though my parents have a living room larger than mine, there's no way in hell they would have any place to put a 40 inch screen.

What they have right now is a 36 inch trinitron. That unit is 35.8 inches wide and basically that's the widest thing they can ever put at that location. Using those dimensions, the largest widescreen TV they will ever be able to buy is around 32 inches.

bull3964 fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Apr 26, 2007

geetee
Feb 2, 2004

>;[
I had a Samsung LN-R328W (32" LCD) that I sent in for repair. Long story short, they can't fix it and they're going to reimburse me what I paid almost 2 years ago. A check for $1,424.99 is headed my way. I liked the TV and I'm looking to get another that is 32" because my space is fairly limited.

First off, do I want to jump for a 1080p set? I have an Xbox360 (not elite) and I don't intend on getting an HD-DVD or Blue-Ray player. Not a big movie person. I'm probably fine sticking with 720p right?

Here are the two sets I'm looking at:
LN-T3242H (Amazon $925.00)
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNT3242HXXAA.asp

LN-T3253H (Amazon $1,101.78)
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNT3253HXXAA.asp

The only major difference I see is the LN-T3253H has a 8000:1 contrast ratio. The other one is 7000:1. The LN-T3253H also has a USB port (why?) and some HDMI CEC thing. Unless that extra 1000:1 contrast is huge, I don't see a reason to spend about $150 more (factoring in shipping and warranty).

All that being said, is there a different TV I should be thinking about?

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

They don't make a lot of 32" 1080p LCDs.

samurai slowdown
Jun 11, 2006

POWER UP

bull3964 posted:

It can and likely will be fixed through a firmware upgrade. Firmware upgrades are usually done by a Samsung tech and they will do them for free if your TV is still under warranty.

Apparently, the LN-T series has an entry in the menu itself to upgrade firmware so an obscure keypress voodoo procedure isn't required so maybe they will let the general public update them.

As far as handshaking issues, some have reported problems with the PS3. On some ports, it will work fine, on others there will be a ton of weird things on the screen, or sometimes it won't work at all.

There are some pictures posted in the this page of this thread about some of the HDMI issues found with the PS3
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=722482&page=83&pp=30

The LN-S series has a more stable firmware codebase right now, but the LN-T series have some nice improved features like per input setting memories, better contrast, and more ports. I think the LN-T will be a very nice set long term, but they seem to be having issues with a few things right now.

The new LN-Ts seem to be the exception when it comes to cheap HDMI cables. Some of the AVS people have been testing some of the newer 1.3 compliant cables (expensive monster poo poo) and experienced fewer droputs if any at all. I've been watching it closely because I'm seriously interested in the LN-T4665F if I get store credit for my borked SXRD. (It's a November 05 build so unless they've been hoarding old parts the optical blocks and video boards from January 06 on won't work.) It would be kind of irritating to have to buy new HDMI cables so I'm hoping it's just quirky firmware.

geetee
Feb 2, 2004

>;[

Chemmy posted:

They don't make a lot of 32" 1080p LCDs.

I could probably squeeze in a 40" if the price was right. I basically want to spend $1,400 or less when all is said and done.

Edit: Reading a thread on that AVS forum which is probably going to answer all my questions about these 2 TVs :)

Edit 2: Ugh, so they have tearing problems? Sonys have cloud problems? I guess I'll look at the Sharp stuff.

geetee fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Apr 26, 2007

pickitup13
Dec 16, 2005

bull3964 posted:

It can and likely will be fixed through a firmware upgrade. Firmware upgrades are usually done by a Samsung tech and they will do them for free if your TV is still under warranty.



Do you think it's likely that there will be firmware upgrade sometime in the next year? Is it possible to buy extended manufacturer warranties? Also, if it was out of warranty by the time they had a firmware update, could I pay for a service like that? Again, I will most likely not have a use for HDMI inputs for at least a year or so.

Edit: After reading the entire thread on AVS about the 4042H, it seems like there is an issue with all hd inputs, not just hdmi. Tons of people are complaining about "tearing" when watching dvds, playing video games, watching tv, etc. Not to mention theres tons of complaints about the sound randomly muting. Again, its not just one or two people complaining about the TV. A ton are explaining how they've gone through two or three sets and they're always messed up in some way.

Back to the drawing board... Maybe I'll check out the S series by samsung or even the LG that apparently has clouding. I just want something solid thats 37-40"s and is 720p :(

pickitup13 fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Apr 26, 2007

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I do think it's likely that they will fix the issues within a year, but it's hard to predict into the future.

You could just go with an LNS model though, I really don't think there's a huge downside to going that route. I'm realizing more and more that these are very solid sets.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNS40...77562297&sr=8-2

LNS4051D for $1400 right now.

I still have to say though, I'm ecstatic that I apparently hit my TV at the perfect low point in price. It hasn't come close to matching the $1495 price that I snagged it for since the day I purchased it. Hell, right now it's $1750. It's kind of wierd, you can snag an LNT4061F for only $50 more right now.

Spork Fetish
May 6, 2006

SWM seeking monosyllabic girl

bull3964 posted:

I have a Samsung LN-S4095D. I picked it up about a month ago from Amazon for $1495 shipped so $1640 from a B&M store doesn't seem too bad.

I've been enjoying the hell out of this TV, I think it's quite the bargain for what you can score them for currently since they are being phased out and replaced with the LN-T series (which boasts higher contrast ratio and more inputs, but seems to be having some issues right now being a new TV as some HDMI connections aren't quite handshaking properly).

As samurai slowdown said, you first want to make sure you are fully using the capabilities of your current DVD player. This includes using it's best possible connection (component, which is 3 cables for just the video, no audio) as well as making sure the dvd player is setup with a widescreen(or 16:9) TV as the TV type.

Beyond that, about the only thing you can do is replace the DVD player and get something that upconverts and uses HDMI as the connection. Your options vary from inexpensive $70 players that probably upconvert worse than the TV's internal scaler (but may, in general, be a better quality player than a 5 year old DVD player), to the $230 Oppo DV-981HD which will upconvert to a 1080p signal, to a $309 HD-DVD player like the Toshiba HDA2 which will upconvert to 1080i and play HD-DVD discs.

I, personally, found middle ground in the Sony DVP-NS75H. You can pick one up at Circuit City for about $99 and when you use an HDMI cable, it will upconvert DVDs to 1080i. The nuts over at AVSForum feel that it upconverts nearly as well as the Oppo (without a lot of the bells and whistles of the Oppo) and is a really solid choice for a ~$100 upconverting DVD player.

No matter what you do though, DVDs only have 44% - 67% of the resolution of proper HD material so they will never look as good no matter what you do. They can come close though.

Right on. I'm running component for video and optical for audio. I've also changed the players settings to widescreen 16:9 as you mention, but the picture while watching DVD is still not as awesome and crisp as over the air HD broadcast. It's kind of discouraging. I'm a big movie watcher and very little tv viewer. I find myself watching SNL on Saturday nights to really get the pleasure out of the tv I was expecting with movies.

It's probably just my player. It's not displaying to the capabilities of the TV. I'll get an upconverting player and that should hopefully get the movies looking as sharp and crisp as the HD airwaves.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Spork Fetish posted:

that should hopefully get the movies looking as sharp and crisp as the HD airwaves.

Like I said, don't get your hopes up. DVDs just aren't high enough resolution. You can make them look pretty good, but they will never ever match the clarity of an HD broadcast.

You will adjust too. Even though it's not as clear as HD, it's still likely better than you have ever watched the discs before and you will find yourself noticing more detail than you have before. After a month, I can even tolerate watching my SD analog cable on the TV now.

Nick L
Jun 22, 2004

Great, I'll never see that logo again without thinking...

bull3964 posted:

I still have to say though, I'm ecstatic that I apparently hit my TV at the perfect low point in price. It hasn't come close to matching the $1495 price that I snagged it for since the day I purchased it. Hell, right now it's $1750. It's kind of wierd, you can snag an LNT4061F for only $50 more right now.

I was looking at the S4095 for the longest time, too, and noticed about a month ago Amazon fulfillment had them at $1495 w/free shipping for a day or two. By the time I decided to pull the trigger, they were out. I ended up getting a T4061 at a local B&M for $100 more with tax and I'm happy with it overall, though it's not something I will really watch more than a few times a month. The USB port is nice for those times I'll need to run a 40" porn slideshow for the inlaws.

edit: spelling

Nick L fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Apr 26, 2007

pickitup13
Dec 16, 2005

bull3964 posted:

I do think it's likely that they will fix the issues within a year, but it's hard to predict into the future.

You could just go with an LNS model though, I really don't think there's a huge downside to going that route. I'm realizing more and more that these are very solid sets.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNS40...77562297&sr=8-2

LNS4051D for $1400 right now.

You know what? I wanted to get a TV this week, but I won't REALLY need one until about june 15th. So, I'm just going to wait 6 or 7 weeks and see if the Samsung T4042h "tearing" and muting issue has been fixed by a firmware update. About 50 percent of the people with the new samsungs have reported the "tearing" issue. If its still not fixed by mid june, then I'll consider the LG 37lc7d, sharp 37d43u and the older samsung s series

The Catalyst
Jan 29, 2003

I'm Mister Hundred and One.

geetee posted:

I could probably squeeze in a 40" if the price was right. I basically want to spend $1,400 or less when all is said and done.

Edit: Reading a thread on that AVS forum which is probably going to answer all my questions about these 2 TVs :)

Edit 2: Ugh, so they have tearing problems? Sonys have cloud problems? I guess I'll look at the Sharp stuff.

Some of the Sharp sets have banding problems. :science:

The Bob
Aug 19, 2006

In case of an Emergency use Stairs. WFC
What do you guys think of this, http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNS32...77633351&sr=1-1

its mainly for my xbox 360, I love the white because it'll match but it says it only has one component output and the 360 is component so where do i hook up the comcast component cables?

I know zero about tvs.

The Bob fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Apr 27, 2007

Nick L
Jun 22, 2004

Great, I'll never see that logo again without thinking...

Jager Romance posted:

What do you guys think of this, http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_LN_S3252D/4505-6482_7-31785797.html?tag=prod.txt.1

its mainly for my xbox 360, I love the white because it'll match but it says it only has one component output and the 360 is component so where do i hook up the comcast component cables?

I know zero about tvs.

If you are using/could use a HD cable box with HDMI, you could use that and still use the component for the 360.

Mode 7 Samurai
Jan 9, 2001

Does anyone know of good websites that have a lot of pictures of peoples home theater setups? I looked through the thread in this forum but I would like to look at a lot more to get a feel for how I can set things up. I searched google but I am coming up empty.

pickitup13
Dec 16, 2005

I don't know of a website, but AVS always has threads about people posting their set up.

napster of meat
Nov 12, 2000

I just got an email from Vanns about the new 77u models with the antiglare coming in. I'd be interested in reading some of the impressions about that, the black levels, and contouring anyone here might have when they get a chance to see or purchase one, as AVS is a bit too much for me to take seriously sometimes. I'm hoping to pick up something like that or a new Pioneer 50" this fall.

geetee
Feb 2, 2004

>;[

The Catalyst posted:

Some of the Sharp sets have banding problems. :science:

It seems like every brand has their own stupid problem. I ordered the Samsung LN-T3242H off of Amazon (reselling for ButterflyPhoto.com) for $964 shipped late last night and it shipped early this morning. I'll pocket the $500 difference and hopefully not have any problems. Doubt it though.

pickitup13
Dec 16, 2005

geetee posted:

It seems like every brand has their own stupid problem. I ordered the Samsung LN-T3242H off of Amazon (reselling for ButterflyPhoto.com) for $964 shipped late last night and it shipped early this morning. I'll pocket the $500 difference and hopefully not have any problems. Doubt it though.

I'm slowly starting to realize this. LG has clouding, sharp has banding, the new samsungs have tearing and muting issues. Those are all top of the line brands and they each have their problems. Maybe its more of choosing what problems don't bug you as opposed to finding a "perfect" set. Also, please please PLEASE give me a review of your set after you've had it for a few days. I'd like to know if it has the issues that I mentioned above.

geetee
Feb 2, 2004

>;[

pickitup13 posted:

Also, please please PLEASE give me a review of your set after you've had it for a few days. I'd like to know if it has the issues that I mentioned above.

I sure will. It should be here Monday (thanks a lot weekend), or if by some grace of God, it could show up tomorrow.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Well, to be fair, most companies had trouble making a decent TV when it was just a vacuum tube displaying an analog signal from a 60 year old design.

Hell, my $500 Sony Trinitron 27" set was a pretty nice TV during it's time, but it wasn't without issues either. It had geometry problems, the size of the picture changed depending on the brightness, it was hard to set a good black level. Yet, despite all that, it was a great TV for the 5 1/2 years I owned it and it lives on as my neighbor's TV now.

A perfect display doesn't exist and you can't drive yourself crazy over the deficiencies in the various options. In reality, what you are buying is likely so far above what you are currently "suffering" watching TV on, that you will quickly either learn to live with the problems or don't even notice them.

pickitup13
Dec 16, 2005

bull3964 posted:



A perfect display doesn't exist and you can't drive yourself crazy over the deficiencies in the various options. In reality, what you are buying is likely so far above what you are currently "suffering" watching TV on, that you will quickly either learn to live with the problems or don't even notice them.

With this in mind, has anyone had a set that has clouding? Is it really something that you notice when you're watching dark scenes or is it something you really have to look for? Just curious because i've never seen "clouding" on a TV first hand.

Next-Gen
Sep 22, 2004

Ted Nugent is the next generation in Joint Combat soldiers



Jager Romance posted:

What do you guys think of this, http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNS32...77633351&sr=1-1

its mainly for my xbox 360, I love the white because it'll match but it says it only has one component output and the 360 is component so where do i hook up the comcast component cables?

I know zero about tvs.

The 40 inch samsungs are selling for around 1000 dollars right now too, so you may want to consider those for the similar price range. The LNS4052 is still selling a little higher but there was just recently a sale on it for 999 at buy.com a week ago.

Like Nick L said, there are multiple high def inputs on here, including two hdmi and a vga input. Your 360 can do either component or vga, and your cable box will most likely support hdmi as well.

bull3964 posted:

I do think it's likely that they will fix the issues within a year, but it's hard to predict into the future.

You could just go with an LNS model though, I really don't think there's a huge downside to going that route. I'm realizing more and more that these are very solid sets.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNS40...2297&sr=8-2

LNS4051D for $1400 right now.

This set is going on sale every now and then as well, and a couple weeks ago amazon had it for 1199 shipped. If you wait around for a good online sale you can save another few hundred off these.

idiotface
Jul 24, 2003

I'm experiencing something weird with my LNS-4095 that I had just recently noticed. On the left side of the screen about the same point where a 4:3 ratio feed would end there is about a 3/4 of an inch wide block going from the top of the screen to the bottom. It is similar to what you would see when a plasma has burn in. You can only see it really when the screen is all white or black but its very evident at that point. What could this be?

AmishMafia001
Oct 23, 2004
WHAT IS TITLE TEXT?!?!?!?!?!
Philips 42PF9731D/37 42" LCD for $999 (Cheapest on Amazon is $1,399)

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4963151

Inside Outside
Jul 31, 2005

I just picked up a Vizio VX32L 32" from Sam's Club, and I'm having some real problems with it. I set up my Xbox 360 and have it running in 720p, but the colors are absolutely terrible. Everything is washed out, and reds are completely non existent. I've been looking over the AVS forums for other people's video settings, but no one else seems to have this problem. Is my TV just a dud or something?

EDIT: I still haven't hooked up my satellite receiver, but I did just now hook up my Wii and it looks excellent. I guess this probably means there's something wrong with my Xbox.

Inside Outside fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Apr 27, 2007

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

Inside Outside posted:

I just picked up a Vizio VX32L 32" from Sam's Club, and I'm having some real problems with it. I set up my Xbox 360 and have it running in 720p, but the colors are absolutely terrible. Everything is washed out, and reds are completely non existent. I've been looking over the AVS forums for other people's video settings, but no one else seems to have this problem. Is my TV just a dud or something?

Make sure you didn't accidentally plug the red audio cable into the red video spot.

I'm serious.

Excalipur
Jul 2, 2003
You make me throw up a little.
So I have about 2 grand I want to blow on a TV for gaming and watching movies. Between all of the different plasma tv's, which do you think would be the best brand/model to buy? I want to maximize screen size and picture quality for what I pay and not have to worry about burn in in with games.

Inside Outside
Jul 31, 2005

furushotakeru posted:

Make sure you didn't accidentally plug the red audio cable into the red video spot.

I'm serious.

This is easily the most embarrassing post I've ever had to make on the internet, but you were absolutely right.

Please don't tell anyone. :(

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

Inside Outside posted:

This is easily the most embarrassing post I've ever had to make on the internet, but you were absolutely right.

Please don't tell anyone. :(

Hey, why do you think I knew that this is what happened ;)

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CORN NOG
Sep 25, 2003

eh, better than wadded beef i guess?

Inside Outside posted:

Please don't tell anyone. :(

It's okay. It happens to the best of us. :unsmith:

I really wish they had come up with a different coloring scheme when they invented component cables. I know some cables now color the red audio plug black, but that just adds more confusion for some people, as I've seen a lot of dvd players use black for their digital coax output.

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