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maltesh posted:Well, except for the last Paladin, who offed herself. I thought that was Ghasts.
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Gyges posted:Is that Shojo, or the founder of Azure City calling forth his army? Never mind, it's Soon. The difference is that Shojo had a goatee in addition to his Foo Manchu.
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May 8, 2007 02:47
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Gyges posted:Never mind, it's Soon. The difference is that Shojo had a goatee in addition to his Foo Manchu. Also, Shojo wasn't even a warrior of any sort, let alone a paladin. Fourteenth level aristocrat, I think. I was confused too at first, but that's waht cleared it up for me.
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Okay someone needs to give me a briefing on rules here. What happens to ghost martyrs that get defeated and is it possible to zombify paladins if their souls are busy ghost chopping you? Also am I right in assuming that the symbol of insanity ball won't work again?
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May 8, 2007 02:53
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They're all ghosts, hence they're undead, hence they're immune to mind effects like the symbol of insanity. Past that, all bets are off, since as far as I know these are a new kind of "monster" that's been created for the strip.
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May 8, 2007 03:03
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Wanderer posted:They're all ghosts, hence they're undead, hence they're immune to mind effects like the symbol of insanity. Past that, all bets are off, since as far as I know these are a new kind of "monster" that's been created for the strip. Of course Xykon might just know Devastate Undead and we'll see yet another swift reversal but I doubt it.
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Soylentbits posted:Okay someone needs to give me a briefing on rules here. What happens to ghost martyrs that get defeated and is it possible to zombify paladins if their souls are busy ghost chopping you? I don't see why not, zombifying them is just bringing their body back, isn't it? It doesn't need a soul or anything. Maybe that's how Xykon will get through this. Zombie paladins versus Ghost paladins. Also his face in the final square there is brilliant.
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Volga Boatman posted:I don't think there are that many arcane spells that can hurt ghosts, really. Does banishment work on them? Great bloody giant explody fireballs work on them just fine.
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OHHH SHIIIIIT. This is how to make Paladins badass, I think HappyElf and I can agree on that. drat that's cool.Taear posted:I don't see why not, zombifying them is just bringing their body back, isn't it? It doesn't need a soul or anything. You can't be raised as undead twice. If these count as true undead, then no, you cannot do that. You could gather up 100 of their corpses and make a Corpse Golem, though. Ferrinus posted:By the way, this post is from way back on the last page but I just want to quote it because I think it's a brilliant summation of Xykon's problems. Xykon is like an impatient player going through a video game with an extremely high level caster. He's like, "Heh, I can do this, whatev- OW OW OW! Damnit! gently caress!" But he can't reload Sure he can, Redcloak still has his phylactery! 
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Wanderer posted:Great bloody giant explody fireballs work on them just fine. 
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May 8, 2007 03:56
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Well now I know why they were all alone in the throne room. drat this guy and his plot hole filling!
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May 8, 2007 03:58
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It's hard to tell is Xykon is worried in that last panel or if it's more of a "Hm. I've been a round a while, and this is the damnedest thing I've seen since Aught Four" sentiment.
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Volga Boatman posted:Oh okay then, I thought not but I don't know much Actually, they should be incorporeal, which would mean a fireball would have a 50% chance of not effecting them, as would most damaging magic that isn't a force effect (or specifically affect incorporeal creatures).
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May 8, 2007 04:15
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Am I the only one who thinks Belkar is going to kill off Redcloak and destroy the pyhlactery through random happenstance and then get killed off by the thing in the shadows?
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May 8, 2007 04:16
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Soylentbits posted:Am I the only one who thinks Belkar is going to kill off Redcloak and destroy the pyhlactery through random happenstance and then get killed off by the thing in the shadows? I'm going to say...yes? Redcloak is one of the more powerful characters in the comic, and Belkar, while being a sexy shoeless god of war, is wounded pretty badly at this point with no healing potions in sight. Plus, Xykon can't die permanently right now. It would be detrimental to the story. We don't even know his or Redcloak's ultimate goals or motivations yet.
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Backdoor Blanche posted:Sure he can, Redcloak still has his phylactery! He can only respawn. But a true computer gamer would keep reloading his save so as to not even lose the encounter. It's a matter of honor!
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May 8, 2007 04:40
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This is so many colors of awesome. That last panel is perfect. I so want to break out my Lazytown 'gently caress, Yeah' macro, but I'm holding myself back. but it deserves it.
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May 8, 2007 04:46
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gothfae posted:This is so many colors of awesome. That last panel is perfect. I so want to break out my Lazytown 'gently caress, Yeah' macro, but I'm holding myself back. Actually the last panel is pretty much a macro in and of itself. Observe: Some Poster posted:something really outlandish 
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I hope this doesn't end with the ghosts beating the gently caress out of Xykon, but O'Chul smashing the gem anyway. No phyrric victories, Burlew! 
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May 8, 2007 05:01
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Oh snap!     God dammit, Rich Burlew knows how to write a loving twist. I don't think Xykon is going to be defeated in total here, but this is certainly going to be a setback for his bony-rear end.
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May 8, 2007 05:23
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HA HA! All of you who swore up and down that the bouncing ball of insanity wouldn't/shouldn't/couldn't work are in league with Redcloak!
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NutShellBill posted:It's hard to tell is Xykon is worried in that last panel or if it's more of a "Hm. I've been a round a while, and this is the damnedest thing I've seen since Aught Four" sentiment. I'm going to guess that this is the bony skully version of the penultimate Keanu "WHOA."
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May 8, 2007 06:10
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The previous strip and this one are the difference between lame crap and total  a rubber ball and loophole in rules = crap a legion of holy warriors sworn to fight past death itself = epic
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May 8, 2007 06:24
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Hah. They've had to take their message boards offline because too many people are trying to view this comic.
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I'm not familiar with the current rules for ghosts, so I checked this site. The majority of ghost special abilities only work against living creatures, so these are not going to affect Xykon. As incorporeal creatures, they have a 50% chance of ignoring any damage from a corporeal source. Any non-touch spell they cast will work normally. If they had magical weapons, they can hit Xykon, but he gets the same 50% save that they do. Unless they have Ghost Touch weapons, in which case they work normally. Being armed with a ghost touch weapon would seem pretty unlikely, unless you were planning on dying and coming back as a ghost. Edit: fixed url.
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Davethulhu posted:I'm not familiar with the current rules for ghosts, so I checked this site. Guys on the GiantITP forums said that they technically aren't ghosts and should be considered some sort of Deathless (?). I don't know if this is true, but it seems likely, since they all have swords and do not have evil appearances. Edit: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if these were some new kind of entity invented for the comic. Zooloo fucked around with this message at 07:08 on May 8, 2007 |
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With Elan getting a third party prestige class OOTS is no longer limited to SRD stuff only.
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Zoolooman posted:Guys on the GiantITP forums said that they technically aren't ghosts and should be considered some sort of Deathless (?). I don't know if this is true, but it seems likely, since they all have swords and do not have evil appearances. quote:When a ghost forms, all its equipment and carried items usually become ethereal along with it. In addition, the ghost retains 2d4 items that it particularly valued in life (provided they are not in another creature’s possession). The equipment works normally on the Ethereal Plane but passes harmlessly through material objects or creatures. A weapon of +1 or better magical enhancement, however, can harm material creatures when the ghost manifests, but any such attack has a 50% chance to fail unless the weapon is a ghost touch weapon (just as magic weapons can fail to harm the ghost).
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"Deathless" are the positive-energy-powered "good undead" monster type introduced in the Book of Exalted Deeds. I am not typing all that poo poo up, but the short version is, they come in both fleshy and incorporeal versions, are basically similar to undead in all ways in terms of immunities and abilities, and exist solely to accomplish a "righteous purpose". There's a few example monsters of the type in the book, but it's mostly there for DMs to use to make reversed versions of existing monsters, etc. If Burlew is creating a "Ghost Martyr" creature type for the use of the strip, he might be basing it on the "Sacred Watcher" from the BoED, which is a ghostly Deathless fighter-type who can manifest on the material plane. It has a positive energy "attack" which can heal living creatures and (more importantly) damage undead.
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Ferrinus posted:Actually the last panel is pretty much a macro in and of itself. Observe: I spent far too long on this considering the end result  
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Ashcans posted:I spent far too long on this considering the end result Thats pretty funny. It looks good enough.
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Zoolooman posted:Hey guys. Day-um. If Xykon still had bowels, they'd be emptying on the floor right about now.
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Soylentbits posted:Am I the only one who thinks Belkar is going to kill off Redcloak and destroy the pyhlactery through random happenstance and then get killed off by the thing in the shadows?
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Efreet saiid posted:No, but i'm he might stumble across Roy's corpse, wich would be mega-awesome. I can see him being up for a fun bit of desecration.
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Isn't Belkar technically the new leader of the hobgoblins, assuming they're not all dead, since he actually killed their old leader? It will probably be a moot point but it would be funny if he were in charge of the leftovers in the event Xykon and Redcloak left them for whatever reason. Also I agree with the idea that Xykon has an "Ain't that the damnedest thing..." look rather than one of terror.
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Ferrinus posted:Actually the last panel is pretty much a macro in and of itself. Observe: I forgot that Xykon's crown doesn't actually rest directly on his skull, so when I read the comic, I thought it was flying off his head in cartoon shock!
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Panty_HaX0r posted:Isn't Belkar technically the new leader of the hobgoblins, assuming they're not all dead, since he actually killed their old leader? Nope. Redcloak is the leader of the hobgoblins, and still alive.
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Panty_HaX0r posted:Isn't Belkar technically the new leader of the hobgoblins, assuming they're not all dead, since he actually killed their old leader? It will probably be a moot point but it would be funny if he were in charge of the leftovers in the event Xykon and Redcloak left them for whatever reason. Redcloak is the leader now, since that guy ceded leadership to him. Someone would have to kill redcloak to claim leadership.
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Soylentbits posted:Am I the only one who thinks Belkar is going to kill off Redcloak and destroy the pyhlactery through random happenstance and then get killed off by the thing in the shadows? Remember the Oracle? We know that Xykon lives through this. After all, he has to be "within five hundred feet" of another portal at some nonspecified future time... clockworkjoe posted:The previous strip and this one are the difference between lame crap and total Besides, let me get this straight: The put the Sapphire Guard there in the throne room knowing that they had no chance, and knowing that they were all dead meat, and intending for them to die? Well, poo poo, that's some master strategy right there. Heck, why not have them start out by committing suicide?! It's the People's Front Of Judea Crack Suicide Squad! ATTACK! urgh...
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Robot Bastard posted:That's the thing that pisses me off about this. The second thing DOESN'T NEED the first thing in order to be cool! I mean, what would have been wrong with just a big Burly Brawl fight scene where Xykon wastes everyone? Kay. YOU draw it. Dickbag. Even for a stick figure comic, a massive battle containing thirty pages of "gee i wonder if the redshirts are gonna beat the big bad evil guy hurr hurr" would be a pain in the balls to draw, and I'm happy with how he did it. Jeez. Would all of you stop bitching about the rubber loving ball? Some of us thought it was cool. Some of us apparently don't like good things. We've moved on to something awesome that everyone likes. And I don't think they were meant to be a suicide squad, they were meant to stay there and hope Xykon didn't get in, but if he did, they would try to chop him to little bony bits, and if THAT hosed up, the Ghostly Legion would be waiting, now with increased numbers, to gently caress up Xykon's day.
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