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Robot Bastard posted:I can't believe this. People here are actually arguing that you can "fire" an arrow from a bow. You're right they should be saying "Project arrows from your bows by releasing the strings!" instead so no one gets confused. Screw all that stuff about dialogue and flow and humor.
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Man, I thought the last argument was ridiculous. Are people seriously getting their nerd panties in a twist over "firing" arrows?
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May 23, 2007 05:41
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Soonmot posted:Man, I thought the last argument was ridiculous. Are people seriously getting their nerd panties in a twist over "firing" arrows? It takes all kinds, here on the internet. For my part I know for certain that I fired my composite longbow twice around for four rounds at a game on Sunday.
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May 23, 2007 05:44
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It's a DnD comic and the game uses 'fire' so I have no problem just leaving it at that. Just write it up as authentic terminology to the genre and forget about whether it might be accurate historically or whatever.
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May 23, 2007 05:59
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Cowcaster posted:You're right they should be saying "Project arrows from your bows by releasing the strings!" instead so no one gets confused. Screw all that stuff about dialogue and flow and humor. Hang on, I've emplaced some updates; I have to electrocute my computer now. edit: Yeah, look. The reason this whole thing got started was that I thought the author was making a meta-joke about "Lord of the Rings". It's starting to seem that maybe he wasn't, giving the number of people here who are trying to claim that "fire a bow and arrow" is perfectly acceptable terminology. Robot Bastard fucked around with this message at 06:16 on May 23, 2007 |
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May 23, 2007 06:13
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Robot Bastard posted:What the gently caress is wrong with "loose!" or "shoot them!" (Yes, I know that in the context of the comic it's important that the guy yell 'fire' so that the author can rip off Gary Larson.) What the hell is wrong with you you moronic semantics-arguing baboon? Here are some definitions: dictionary.com posted:27. to discharge (a gun). On the other hand, shooting is the act of firing a gun. But guess what, you can also shoot a bow! No one besides you cares about these tiny differences in usage! Robot Bastard posted:Yeah, look. The reason this whole thing got started was that I thought the author was making a meta-joke about "Lord of the Rings". It's starting to seem that maybe he wasn't, giving the number of people here who are trying to claim that "fire a bow and arrow" is perfectly acceptable terminology. "Yeah, look," is a sentence fragment. What is it giving the number of people?
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Robot Bastard posted:What the gently caress is wrong with "loose!" or "shoot them!" (Yes, I know that in the context of the comic it's important that the guy yell 'fire' so that the author can rip off Gary Larson.) There is no rolleyes big enough to describe what I am feeling right now.
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I give up. Your hoard of arguments have decimated me. \/\/\/ holy poo poo, someone (bgaesop) actually got the joke Robot Bastard fucked around with this message at 06:56 on May 23, 2007 |
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May 23, 2007 06:42
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Robot Bastard posted:I give up. Your hoard of arguments have decimated me.  Horde! I assume you mean "horde" since we presented a plethora of reasons, rather than ones that I had stored up ahead of time (a "hoard.") A hoard is what a dragon has, a horde is what the army of hobgoblins is.Also, I doubt I have removed one tenth of your... whatever it is that I was supposed to have decimated.
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bgaesop posted:Here are some definitions: You forgot the most damning ones from the epic folks at Merriam-Webster: Noun: "5a: the firing of weapons (as firearms, artillery, or missiles)" Verb: "3b: to emit or let fly an object" Seriously. Arguing that "fire" is not a legitimate way to tell someone to shoot a bow is like that horrible early-90s argument that "celebrity" should not have been used in Dances With Wolves, as it was not "period," despite the word being around since the 14th century. Shut up about inexact definitions if you do not know a drat thing about words in the first place. You will just end up sounding dumber as a result. Now, let us all get back to how Order of the Stick is the best web-comic ever.
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bgaesop posted:
Bah. His use of decimated is perfectly fine. quote:1. to destroy a great number or proportion of: The population was decimated by a plague. Obviously if this thread were an adventuring party in D&D, it would be LOPE or Lords of Pedantry Exemplar and we'd all be in it.
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clockworkjoe posted:Bah. His use of decimated is perfectly fine. Robot Bastard posted:\/\/\/ holy poo poo, someone (bgaesop) actually got the joke
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May 23, 2007 06:58
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Why is this even an argument? Hobgoblins are idiots. It'd be just as fitting for them to scream about how good pie is while they're shooting their arrows.
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Soylentbits posted:Why is this even an argument? Hobgoblins are idiots. It'd be just as fitting for them to scream about how good pie is while they're shooting their arrows.
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I think what we really want to know is the correct verb for making use of the 1st level arcane spell, Magic Missiles.
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Schwarzwald posted:I think what we really want to know is the correct verb for making use of the 1st level arcane spell, Magic Missiles. Widely agreed to be "to zap" but also "to ping".
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They're not even speaking english as we know it, nor were people in the middle ages.Soonmot posted:Man, I thought the last argument was ridiculous. Are people seriously getting their nerd panties in a twist over "firing" arrows? Efreet saiid fucked around with this message at 09:29 on May 23, 2007 |
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May 23, 2007 09:26
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Has the comic said before how long it'll take someone like V to get his spells back? I can't remember them ever bringing that up, but then I haven't finished my tour of the archives yet.
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RentACop posted:Has the comic said before how long it'll take someone like V to get his spells back? I can't remember them ever bringing that up, but then I haven't finished my tour of the archives yet. I could be way off but I think you need to "rest" for a night to recover your spells.
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May 23, 2007 13:31
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Spellcasters have to rest overnight, but V doesn't actually need much sleep since they're an elf. This is as per standard D&D rules and as per one of the earliest strips(where roy takes watch all night and his father visits him for the first time).
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Trouble Man posted:Widely agreed to be "to zap" but also "to ping". Don't forget the archaic use of "Dedarknessing"
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I know about the resting, but the mechanics, I mean, if he gets interrupted halfway through does he get half his spells, if he takes a cat-nap could he get one spell back that sort of thing. Basically I'm wondering whether V will be able to do anything before the seige is over.
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RentACop posted:I know about the resting, but the mechanics, I mean, if he gets interrupted halfway through does he get half his spells, if he takes a cat-nap could he get one spell back that sort of thing. Basically I'm wondering whether V will be able to do anything before the seige is over. Elves require only four hours of meditation to recover the amount that other races need 8 hours of sleep for, but they still need 8 hours of rest in order to prepare any spells. Any time they are interrupted adds an hour to the required rest, and the hour directly before they prepare new spells must be completely uninterrupted. Of course, there are feats and such that alter this. edit: "rest" is defined as "not moving, being in combat, casting spells, using skills, talking, or any mental or physical task of equivalent effort."
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Trouble Man posted:Widely agreed to be "to zap" but also "to ping". I prefer to say "Fox 1" and mimic the sound of a jet fighter firing missiles.
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RentACop posted:I know about the resting, but the mechanics, I mean, if he gets interrupted halfway through does he get half his spells, if he takes a cat-nap could he get one spell back that sort of thing. Basically I'm wondering whether V will be able to do anything before the seige is over. Standard D&D rules are pretty iron-fisted about this. Once a wizard has used up all his spells, he pretty much needs nine straight uninterrupted hours (eight of rest, one of staring at his spellbook) to get 'em back. He can opt to leave some of his spell slots "blank" and then fill them by just quickly ducking down and studying for fifteen minutes in the middle of the day, but he can't study for just one hour whenever he wants and restore one ninth of his spells. In fact, any spells he casts during his nine hours of rest/preparation (like, if he never cast a magic missile spell he had prepared and so he just fires it into the air for fun) that counts against his spells for the new day.
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My hope is that, as they're dashing from the secret tunnel exit to the castle, he stops by a magic item shop and claims martial law to abscond with a plethora of wands and scrolls.
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That strip summed up why I never made a cleric character in my few years of D&D. Spellsword for life 
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Interesting that Redcloak isn't so caring about the fates of the Hobgoblins that he'll take a minute to let the Hobgeneral actually get down from the Magical Elephant. (yes, yes, you don't get down from a magical elephant, you get down from a magical duck.)
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I wonder if "ZOT!" and the pile of ashes is supposed to be a Usenet Oracle reference or not. Probably not.
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Nope; Johnny Hart.
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I have to say this is a particularly hilarious example of a way to re-use the same two frames of a comic strip several times without it being too irritating. Though, to his credit, the deific energies are different each time. And this reminds me of the days when I pushed our GM to take clerics out of the campaign entirely and just give everyone low fast healing, since nobody ever wants to play the stupid cleric.Parahexavoctal posted:Interesting that Redcloak isn't so caring about the fates of the Hobgoblins that he'll take a minute to let the Hobgeneral actually get down from the Magical Elephant. I thought the same thing, but if you think about how summoning spells really work, likely the elephant just disappeared normally at that point, and the hobgoblin general just did not know it was coming like Redcloak did. There is the little spell-effect-like cloud around Redcloak's hand, but it does not seem actually connected to the elephant. Let me continue analyzing this profoundly insignificant area. Heresiarch posted:I wonder if "ZOT!" and the pile of ashes is supposed to be a Usenet Oracle reference or not. Probably not. While I have no idea what this means (well, I know what Usenet is, and what oracles are, but not in tandem), it is entirely possible. Rich Burlew certainly seems well-versed in all forms of nerdy arcana.
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Quarex posted:nobody ever wants to play the stupid cleric. Whaaa? I love playing Clerics! You're by far the most powerful member of the party. By far. You automatically get leadership of the group, because who the hell is going to adventure without a Cleric? If anyone disagrees with you, hey, feel free to spend all your money on healing potions, the rest of us will go the other way and keep our treasure.
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Heresiarch posted:I wonder if "ZOT!" and the pile of ashes is supposed to be a Usenet Oracle reference or not. Probably not. Rich Burlew is clearly a fan of Scott McCloud. All we have to wait for now is a teenager to save the order with the help of rocket boots and a nonlethal laser pistol.
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Quarex posted:I have to say this is a particularly hilarious example of a way to re-use the same two frames of a comic strip several times without it being too irritating. Though, to his credit, the deific energies are different each time. And this reminds me of the days when I pushed our GM to take clerics out of the campaign entirely and just give everyone low fast healing, since nobody ever wants to play the stupid cleric. Iron Heroes has a good solution to the problem. Every character has a number of reserve hit points equal to their hit points. A PC transfers 1 reserve point to HP per minute of rest and the healing skill replenishes reserve points.
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Soylentbits posted:Rich Burlew is clearly a fan of Scott McCloud. Although it's probably more likely that it is indeed a USEnet Oracle reference.
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bgaesop posted:Whaaa? I love playing Clerics! You're by far the most powerful member of the party. By far. You automatically get leadership of the group, because who the hell is going to adventure without a Cleric? If anyone disagrees with you, hey, feel free to spend all your money on healing potions, the rest of us will go the other way and keep our treasure.
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NorgLyle posted:My Druid wishes to disagree with your assertion. Complete Divine may have generally sucked, but the addition of the Vigor spells and Rejuvenation Cocoon make up anything lame about the rest of the book. The Vigor spells are also Cleric spells, and Rejuvenation Cocoon, while good, is not nearly as good as Heal, which is only one level higher. Plus very few people play druids.
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